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[–] Jaysyn@kbin.social 137 points 3 months ago (4 children)

Dollars to donuts, that guy got un-brainwashed during the trial & isn't voting for Trump now.

[–] cogman@lemmy.world 106 points 3 months ago (3 children)

Which is actually pretty hopeful. Once the dude got out of a media ecosystem telling him what to think and feel, and he was presented with the facts in an irrefutable way, he did what was right.

Right-wing media is all about creating an information bubble keeping inconvenient truths out.

[–] Asafum@feddit.nl 8 points 3 months ago

"no one is the villain of their own story."

I strongly believe that the majority of Trump supporters (maybe not the supremely rabid ones) truly believe that they're doing the right thing based on the propaganda they're exposed to.

I live in a rather red area of my state and while I definitely know racists and selfish assholes (this is NY so they're everywhere) most of the Republicans i know are generally good people that are just submerged in a propaganda ecosystem. Hell one of my coworkers is absolutely a way better person than I am: volunteering and giving to charity, giving a lot of their time to others, but they're also a die hard Republican.

If anyone checks my history I say this a thousand times: I FUCKING HATE PROPAGANDISTS they are a cancer on society...

[–] nifty@lemmy.world 6 points 3 months ago

And right wing/conservative policies are all about creating a class of people in society who can be exploited and abused

[–] prole@sh.itjust.works 4 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Also forcing them to communicate with real people in real life makes a HUGE difference. Combine those two things and you have a potentially powerful force of deprogramming.

It's almost like forcing the Germans to walk through the camps after they were liberated... Except hopefully before it gets to that point.

[–] prole@sh.itjust.works 34 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (3 children)

God if that's all it takes.... Stick each of these fuckers in a tiny room with 11 of their peers and FORCE them to listen to nothing but cold hard facts for hours a day, for weeks, and then discuss them in person until they can all unanimously agree on our collective reality...

Maybe it's doable? God, I hate the idea of "re-education," it has such an icky, authoritarian connotation. But it's literally what these people need. Except in this case it isn't about inundating them with propaganda, it's literally just reality and irrefutable facts.

[–] jjjalljs@ttrpg.network 19 points 3 months ago

It's all about group membership.

If the people on the jury started to see themselves as a coherent group, then they can change minds and reach consensus. People listen to other people in their in group way more.

If you try to talk to a maga person, and they see you as a Outsider, you're going to have a very difficult time getting them to listen to anything you say.

We all do this to some extent.

It's just really bad currently that the maga people will look to their group for consensus reality, and they have mostly bad ideas.

I don't know how to dismantle that group.

[–] TurtleJoe@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago

You can't forget that any true nut jobs were weeded out during jury selection.

[–] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 2 points 3 months ago

We don't have nearly enough sane people to do that for everyone in his cult.

[–] SapphironZA@sh.itjust.works 4 points 3 months ago

Amazing, when you sit people down and force them to think, they tend to come to their senses.