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YouTube is finally cracking down on third-party apps that enable ad-blocking
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Get off of Chrome
Get off of YouTube
Get off of gmail
Get off of Google
Theres a whole big internet out there. You don't have to limit yourself to one single company.
YouTube is the only one that doesn't have an alternative. I mean, there are other video hosts yes, but the content isn't there.
The creators need to start moving. Their fans will likely follow, since it's not YouTube they are there for. But I don't think anyone else offering free, large scale video hosting does much more, if even that, than what YouTube does. Even if it sucks, it's better than nothing, so there is no incentive to move for anyone.
Problem being that there is no real incentive to do so, unless PeerTube finds a way to pay content creators. Until then, switching away from YouTube means loosig their revenue stream...requiring them to take up jobs to pay the bills and eventually have less time for content creation.
Living on donations and patreon alone is hard...
Google is a for-profit organization. Framasoft, which developed PeerTube, is a non-profit one. The only way to pay content creators is when people donate money to PeerTube and then PeerTube share that money with creators. Which is also difficult because there are no trackers to know internally who has more subscribers or which video has more views, etc. Internally as using a tracker, but you have to visit one by one every channel and every video to know its numbers.
Nebula is trying to be the alternative. It's a paid subscription and not as plentiful as YouTube is (and maybe never will be).
But it's a good try, give it some support, if you can
It isn't much better in terms of content moderation though. In fact probably worst.
They kicked off JT, of Second Thought one of the original creators, for refusing to make a both sides statement about Palestine.
With the news of Google's new deal with Israel, I was considering Nebula. That is sad to hear.
Consider MeansTV instead
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cnc1Pp61SVk
Most of their fans won't follow. Convenience is a powerful thing.
There also really aren't other options. Anyone being able to sign up and host video for free is an extremely expensive service to provide if people take you up on it.
If enough creators moved, the fans would follow.
Unfortunately, the creators won't move to a platform that doesn't have users to watch them. And users won't bother with a platform that doesn't have creators to watch.
While this can be overcome... Yeah, I think googie will need to fork up yootoob a lot more before enough on both sides are willing to jump ship en masse
Some fans would follow. If 100% of their subscribed channels moved tomorrow, 90% still wouldn't move to the new platform for a meaningful length of time.
I tried Nabula twice. The latest in 2020.
Service is fine but their UI + search and discover is awful. Like I can barely find creators I like when I search for their exact channel name.
There is also PeerTube and Odysee.
But I have a mixed feelings on the latter.
Some of the creators I follow are moving.... Kind of. Most of their videos get taken down for some stupid ass reason so they're going to places like patreon and whatever other platform you have to pay a monthly sub to. Which at that point, I just don't watch them.
Sort of true, except YouTube. I watch almost exclusively YouTube few hours every day. If it opens by mistake in a browser, it is totally unwatchable with ads inserted even in short videos. I hope reVanced will manage to avoid detection somehow, otherwise it is quite hopeless. Yes, I can pay for premium, but the app will be full of stupid crap and no gesture controls.
Youtube in the Browser? uBlock Origin. Never have any ads.
Edit: I am on Firefox.
Installed. Thanks!
Same here. I have yet to experience any issues on firefox+ublock, newpipe, or revanced.
There is also newpipe
Does it show my subscriptions, etc?
No, it does not access your account at all and stores subscribed channels locally within the app. But there might be a way to transfer your subscriptions over if you can find a way to export them from your youtube account.
You can def export your subs. I did it when I set up freetube originally. So it should just be a question of if the other program will import them.
Getting off youtube is pretty difficult with no true alternative.
You forgot to add get off Android, which would also mean just going Apple. There is no good alternative there either.
I'm excited about Linux phones like the Pinephone, but they're really not ready for anything more than Linux enthusiasts to flex. I was hoping to switch, but I need a new phone now, so I'll probably get a Pixel and put GrapheneOS on it. At least that way I control what data Google gets access to.
No, GrapheneOS is a great Android OS tbh
I use GOS but... Google phone...
I honestly don't have a problem buying stuff from Google, provided they don't get to hoover up my data. And I can buy that Google Phone from eBay or something instead.
We have to make the alternatives. As Lemmy is an alternative to reddit, PeerTube could be an alternative to YouTube.
I guess an AOSP-based rom, if one exists for your phone?
YouTube is the internet for me. Of my internet usage over 95% is watching YouTube
Same; ever since I left reddit I just can't find any other platform besides YT that satisfies my need to be addicted to a website.
That's a stupid point to make tbh, because the most important information, knowledge and entertainment is on their platforms in a quality and quantity that is unprecedented. Meaning you can try to avoid it, but from time to time you have to use google/gmaps/yt/...
And that's coming from me.. someone who degoogled their smartphone.
Realistically Google Search and Google Maps don't provide anything unique that isn't provided by competitors, although a) they may provide a superior experience, and b) the competitors are not necessarily much more palatable (that is, Bing Search and Bing Maps are hardly a great ethical improvement).
YouTube is probably the only Google service where this is a genuine monopoly of sorts. That is, content that is on YouTube is not generally available on other platforms, and if you want to watch that content you have to watch it on YouTube. We might all live for the day when all content creators are dual-hosting in PeerTube or the like too, but we're a long long way from that right now.
Although I write that as someone who only very rarely actually uses YouTube, because largely the content isn't to my interest. Other than my local football club's channel, I can't think of anything on there that I actually seek out.
They do provide sth unique, because open source/privacy friendly alternatives are not supporting the same features to a full extent in one solution with a simple UX. And even Bing, as you mentioned and other competitors, fall short. I'm using Startpage (based on Google) and OSM most of the times and I'm happy with it, but sometimes I gotta check restaurant ratings or satellite view etc. Also route planning is way more convenient on gmaps even if I don't use it. There's probably more as well, which I'm not aware of.
Yes exactly, YouTube is the only google service I use almost everyday (besides Startpage).. but I wouldn't know what to do without it.
Fair enough :)
Ratings on Google maps are less informative than having no information. An absolute dumpster fire with no value in any context.
Agree to disagree. Was really helpful in Vietnam e.g., and I also don't have problems with it in Germany.
Problem is, there's shitton of content that needs to be archived and moved from YouTube, if YouTube stops to exist then all tutorials and teaching videos and all previously produced content will be gone, people want this content, so only true solution is somehow archive all YouTube videos and move them from YouTube, until it's done, YouTube will have monopoly, and it's bad situation we've found ourselves in
Peertube might be a fediverse-friendly place to archive such content.
Yes, the only problem is storage, with development of bcachefs it could be possible to have raid6 and block level deduplication and transparent compression, because content would be archived by the community after all and common people like you and me can't build whole datacenters, but just homelabs from used PCs and secondhand server HDDs
The bigger proplem is copyright. Google will fight for 'their' creators if they discover you archiving anything. They don't own copyrights but will tell the court that if the creator wanted their content on peertube they would have put it there.
If it's educational, it could go to Wikicommons.
I can't get off of YouTube because there's 20+ creators that are like family to me.
Check if they have channels elsewhere, a few of mine are on Odysee or Nebula. If that's the case, look into Grayjay, which is an Android app to access a bunch of video services with one interface. It's still a bit rough, but it's serviceable, and it allows downloading videos, which is cool.
Keep those, but find new ones elsewhere.
google meet and google forms are the only thing that still makes me use google from time to time. youtube is another story since idt there is a good alternative for that, nope not peertube sorry.