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Transcript: Tweet by the SRSLY wrong podcast. Content: "message to my enemies: when the revolution comes you're not just gonna get the wall, buddy, you're gonna get four walls, a roof, clean clothes, good food, education, and quality health care because that's what every human being alive deserves"

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[–] Lumisal@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Yeah. After thinking about it, it's not like the USA will ever have a revolution as much as a forced civil war, if it happens, and then violence would be inevitable.

So arguing about a utopia that can't peacefully happen is really redundant.

[–] Prunebutt 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Still not getting your point. Not sure you used "redundant" correctly here.

You do know that there's more that the US in the world, right?

[–] Lumisal@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Yes, but considering most of the world at least has some form of nationalized healthcare already, including UK, Canada, and Australia, and the commentary is in English, it really narrows the likelihood that you and most others are talking about the USA.

I know it isn't here in Finland you're talking about at least.

[–] Prunebutt 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Why would you think revolution is about nationalized healthcare?

[–] Lumisal@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Everyone can't get quality healthcare if you can't afford healthcare in the first place at all.

[–] Prunebutt 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

But why would you think that quality healthcare is the goal of a (violent) revolution?

[–] Lumisal@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

It can be one of the goals. Pretty sure it was for Cuba actually for example. And many times it comes about from one as well, like, again, Finland

[–] Prunebutt 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

But why would you think that everyone's talking about the US here? I have national healthcare and still I'm a revolutionary.

[–] Lumisal@lemmy.world 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Most of us are not revolutionaries. We're just people who have some basic logic and a straightforward solution to some of the main causes of basic human misery. These days that's not even a revolutionary thought. The majority of people in surveys of different countries agree with the original statement.

A real revolutionary takes extreme actions. They break laws. They cause "good trouble" when they can. They stop the means of production, either as a collective or even as an individual. They invent and strongly advocate for an original and novel idea that goes against the status quo.

Most people here are extremely unlikely to be true revolutionaries. And if you are, be careful when admitting it in public, because those in power by nature do not like true revolutionaries.

It would be nice to think you are. But from my years of experience, it's more unlikely you aren't.

You're most likely a follower, a messenger. And that's not a bad thing either - the world needs people to support true revolutionaries. Stability wouldn't be possible without that either.

But change only comes through true radical action.

[–] Prunebutt 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

If that's were true, no revolution would have ever been possible.

[–] Lumisal@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Never said the majority of people had to be revolutionaries.

But a decent chunk does either way.

[–] Prunebutt 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, I don't agree with your definition of revolutionary.

[–] Lumisal@lemmy.world 0 points 7 months ago

Fair enough. Language changes. Once revolutionary as a word has been diluted in meaning, there'll be another to replace it.