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A ringleader in a global monkey torture network exposed by the BBC has been charged by US federal prosecutors.

Michael Macartney, 50, who went by the alias "Torture King", was charged in Virginia with conspiracy to create and distribute animal-crushing videos.

Mr Macartney was one of three key distributors identified by the BBC Eye team during a year-long investigation into sadistic monkey torture groups.

Two women have also been charged in the UK following the investigation.

Warning: This article contains disturbing content

Mr Macartney, a former motorcycle gang member who previously spent time in prison, ran several chat groups for monkey torture enthusiasts from around the world on the encrypted messaging app Telegram.

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[–] Mastengwe@lemm.ee -1 points 7 months ago (2 children)

How about you let people eat what they want to eat and you just worry about yourself.

[–] MilitantVegan@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago (3 children)

Animals are generally killed significantly younger than their natural lifespans. The short lives they live are entirely in conditions that are comparable to history's worst concentration camps. You're literally living on the rotten flesh of traumatized children.

Have you ever stopped to wonder what they want?

[–] steeznson@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago

I disagree with you but that is an informative graph. I knew egg laying chickens were killed before they were a year old but 5 months is wild.

[–] wakumul@lemm.ee -1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

that chart is all lies. none of those animals have a natural lifespan that long

[–] MilitantVegan@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)
[–] wakumul@lemm.ee -1 points 7 months ago

none of them would live that long without human intervention. that's an artificial lifespan.

[–] wakumul@lemm.ee -1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

the vast majority of make dairy calves are brought to full weight before slaughter: 18-20 months

[–] MilitantVegan@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Everywhere I've looked says the same - cows can live 15-20 years and possibly even longer. That's significantly more life than 18-20 months.

[–] wakumul@lemm.ee 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

cows can live 15 to 20 years if they have protection from predators, and weather, and disease, and access to enough nutritious food, clean water, and veterinary care.

their natural life span, being a domesticated animal, is usually about 18-20 months.

[–] MilitantVegan@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago (4 children)

That's insane. There's nothing natural about being slaughtered against your will. Growing less profitable is not a natural cause of death. I don't know anything more disturbingly capitalist than to perceive intelligent living beings as commodities.

[–] wakumul@lemm.ee 0 points 7 months ago

There’s nothing natural about being slaughtered against your will.

this assumes non-human animals have a will to live. this would require an understanding that they, themselves, might die. we have no proof of understanding personal mortality in non-human animals (though, if you have a study that shows otherwise, i would be very interested to see it). therefore, we have no reason to believe nonhuman animals have a will to live.

[–] wakumul@lemm.ee -1 points 7 months ago

Growing less profitable is not a natural cause of death.

no, and it's also not the cause of death for any of the animals we eat or otherwise exploit.

[–] wakumul@lemm.ee -1 points 7 months ago

That’s insane

that's ableist

[–] wakumul@lemm.ee -1 points 7 months ago

I don’t know anything more disturbingly capitalist than to perceive intelligent living beings as commodities.

intelligent is a relative term. but i can certainly show you something more disturbingly capitalist: exploiting people for profit.

[–] A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago (4 children)

Their user name is MilitantVegan.

Do you genuinely think they have ever, in their entire life, been capable of keeping their nose out of other peoples business?

[–] Korne127@lemmy.world 4 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I'm not even vegan by myself, but saying other people's business when it's not about things people do for themselves without harming anyone but killing animals is… really weird.

[–] A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Yeah, that bullshit "i'm not a vegan, I'm just gonna say vegan things" act wont pass here.

Also, I love how you are trying to claim something that a significant portion of all animal life on the planet does is "weird".

Like, maybe thats a you problem, bro.

[–] MilitantVegan@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago (2 children)

If you're familiar with trophic levels, you would know it's literally impossible for a majority of the planet's population to be carnivorous. The population levels of species in one trophic level are limited by the population size of what they eat. Primary producers and herbivores must always outnumber omnivores and carnivores.

And when you look at the full breadth of the harms caused by humans eating animals, it clearly is an abnormal practice. Just because something is popular, doesn't mean it's normal. Doing something every day that is completely contrary to our own natures, our own wellbeing, the wellbeing of all the other intelligent beings we share this planet with, and the planet itself, is grotesque and strange in the extreme.

[–] gimpchrist@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago (3 children)

See this is the thing I'm pissed off about though... we don't get to eat the animals that are murdered.. a good extreme majority of us cannot fucking afford the meat that is on our grocery shelves... we're not eating animals... we can't afford to eat animals... they're just slaughtering animals to throw them in grocery store dumpsters.. it's not an 'us, problem.. ......so why the fuck are you yelling at us, when you should be yelling at The giant factory Farms and the governments who allow people to overslaughter these animals, put them on a shelf in a store, let it sit and rot while no one affords it, and then throws it into a dumpster at the end of the week.. why aren't you yelling at them?

Seriously I'm fucking sick of it and I'm fucking hungry.. all I eat is God damn potatoes and fucking rice and fucking peanut butter and I hate your stupid vegan food I'm starving and I fucking hate beans. I just want a fucking steak but I'm not allowed to cuz I can't afford it and it makes me a total fucking asshole I guess, to want to eat food.

[–] Sizzler 1 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

B12 supplement and more tofu (lots of your favourite spices)

[–] Sizzler 1 points 7 months ago

Quick reminder, you are having this rant in a thread about people who just want to torture animals....

[–] MilitantVegan@lemmy.world 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

What kind of rice? Plant based foods can be significantly less expensive than animal products if you get them in their whole food forms. Brown rice might be a little more effort to cook but it's a lot more filling and nutritious. and in general whole grains are going go be a lot more filling than refined sources.

Leafy greens are known to slow metabolism, so if you can include them they will help you feel satiated for longer, and help your body use your nutrients more efficiently.

If you're able to order anything online or find a grocery store that carries them, soy curls and tvp are bean-based meat alternatives that are extremely easy to cook. Prices on those vary though. Nutritional yeast is also great to have because it not only loads your food full of protein, but also adds a delicious cheesy/savory flavor. And it might not be the healthiest choice, but a big bag of msg is probably the least expensive way to give all your meals a good savory kick.

And try not to give up on beans. Out of all foods, beans are correlated with the longest lifespans. Try all different kinds, including lentils which are generally easier to cook. Few foods are less expensive than beans, so it's worth learning to love them.

[–] gimpchrist@lemmy.world 0 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

Bro.... I can't afford to eat meat.... do you think I can afford your weird alternatives? Stop trying to tell me how to eat.

No! You know what, it's a new day.. I've been bullied into being stressed out by people like you for far too long this is a new type of social media and I'm going to block you and I'm going to enjoy it and then you'll never have to exist to me ever again that's great goodbye

[–] rusticus@lemm.ee -1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Homo sapien is traditionally an omnivore. GTFO with your “normal” and “contrary” arguments.

[–] MilitantVegan@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

No, not really. Any ability we have to digest animal products comes at a sharp cost to our health. The majority of human evolutionary history skews more strongly toward plant-dominant lifestyles.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FNIoKmMq6cs&pp=ygUhcGFsZW9udG9sb2dpc3QgZGVidW5rcyBwYWxlbyBkaWV0

[–] rusticus@lemm.ee -2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

You are an idiot if you think Homo Sapien is naturally a vegan. We are omnivores. Look it up, learn, and STFU.

[–] MilitantVegan@lemmy.world 0 points 7 months ago

Dude, I'm not even going to keep engaging with you. Gotta be the most low effort troll I've seen in a while.

[–] WldFyre@lemm.ee -1 points 7 months ago

Username checks out

[–] Sizzler 0 points 7 months ago

If we're going by names then, well...

[–] Mastengwe@lemm.ee 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Oh, absolutely not. I just wanted people to see how they will respond to a reasonable request.

[–] A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago (2 children)

my moneys on calling you a murderer, lol

[–] Mastengwe@lemm.ee 0 points 7 months ago

Or a ten paragraph copy pasta treatise on how I’m a brainwashed corpo robot that’s destroying the world by propagating capitalism every time I eat a cheeseburger.

[–] Mastengwe@lemm.ee 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Turns out, I got a chart and a stern lecture! We were both wrong!

[–] A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

and he said i was no different than the monkey rapist whose the star of the story.

Satire is dead when people like this exist as actual, genuine, serious reality.

[–] Mastengwe@lemm.ee 2 points 7 months ago
[–] MilitantVegan@lemmy.world -2 points 7 months ago

I bet the people who ran these animal torture rings feel the same way.