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[–] wieson@lemmy.world 7 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Humans are naturally creative and driven. We like working, building and accomplishing something.

Yet you must be forced to do the work of your employment.

If you had all your necessities met, not for long you would start to work. But you would work on projects you enjoyed. I doubt all those projects would be less useful for society than the average workplace nowadays.

[–] Wiz@midwest.social 6 points 5 months ago (2 children)

I think must of the UBI experiments that we've done, many of the participants chose to do work in addition to the basic income.

[–] jj4211@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago

For one, the operational word is "experiments". People on experimental UBI know it's only temporary.

For another, they are never large scale. So you can have success stories about how people given a UBI reprieve were able to take a moment to get things together, get some training, and maybe be selective and find a good job, but it's unfortunately not saying how it would scale. Unfortunately those great opportunities are likely sparse, and if entire cities could take that same benefit, you'd likely see a reset to a similar scenario as before UBI. That said it may be a much better simpler situation than means tested welfare, but the ubi amounts in the experiments are often less than welfare, so you'd not replace the system...

Then there's the debate of how much UBI.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago

On top of everything else that's been said, most people would want more than just whatever the UBI was even if that was enough to survive on. Most people do not want to just survive. Sure, you might get enough to live a very basic life without any frills if you didn't work, but isn't it better to guarantee those people homes and food rather than just let them die in the street?