You are aware they started that narrative for two reasons: 1) To distract from the fact they were radicalizing nazis in the area and 2) to drum up justification for a war with china. The only reason it's still around despite the MOUNTAINS of evidence proving it wrong is because Americans are so fucking racist that they don't even care that it's blatantly bullshit because it gives them moral carte blanche to hate china.

[+] tiredturtle@lemmy.ml 5 points 7 months ago (3 children)

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[–] davel@lemmy.ml 6 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Oh, it’s gish gallop time? I’ve seen better: https://lemmy.ml/comment/9325173

[–] tiredturtle@lemmy.ml -4 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Very convenient. Maybe you're a chosen one and nobody else can't figure out that light flows in aether. Thanks!

[–] davel@lemmy.ml 7 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

I know you’re in no position to call it a firehose of falsehood, because I knew you were never actually going to read any of it.

But if you want to understand how the Five Eyes governments and corporate media propaganda work, I’ve got a firehose of facts for that as well. The inner workings of corporate media were explained about forty years ago in Inventing Reality and Manufacturing Consent.
A five minute introductory video: Noam Chomsky - The 5 Filters of the Mass Media Machine

Bonus rounds:

[–] tiredturtle@lemmy.ml -3 points 7 months ago (1 children)

You misunderstood. I'm taking your word as is.

Government propaganda is good to realize!

Let's say we have a basket of apples. The world's most powerful apples. And they all look rotten and diseased, we know the reasons which make them rotten, it's peer reviewed and considered a fact.

So then we make a leap of faith. What if despite evvvvvvveeeerrrything, this one apple is actually pure and holy. And only a few know this for sure and they're not letting anyone else know the proof.

That's very wonderful but, kinda sketchy at the same time?

[–] davel@lemmy.ml 6 points 7 months ago (1 children)

The metaphor you’re constructing seems to be one part forbidden fruit from the tree of knowledge and one part bad apples, and I don’t quite follow.

The general population doesn't know what's happening, and it doesn't even know that it doesn't know. — Noam Chomsky

Most people don’t know they’re being propagandized in the first place, so it doesn’t occur to them to see past it. And of those who do notice, most don’t have the time, energy, skill set, and inclination to dig out the truth. It’s not impossible, but it is a lot of work. The information is accessible, but corporate media generally aren’t going to provide it.

[–] tiredturtle@lemmy.ml 0 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

It's not a metaphor relating to those. You can substitute the apple for anything you like, the fruit is not a relevant object. It just carries similar properties. They can be called 'Notexistilandia', 'United Territories of Nowhereon' or 'Countrystan'. Whatever helps.

You're very close with Chomsky and people not knowing!

What I mean is that the mystical prophecies of one true holy and pure — despite the evidence, like we've discussed, rely much on faith, instead of (and sometimes contrary) to knowledge. And general populations "knowledge", fooled, propagandized is just that — much closer to faith.

More Chomsky:

I think irrational belief is a dangerous phenomenon, and I try to consciously avoid irrational belief. On the other hand, I certainly recognize that it’s a major phenomenon for people in general, and you can understand why it would be. It does, apparently, provide personal sustenance, but also bonds of association and solidarity and a means for expressing elements of one’s personality that are often very valuable elements. To many people it does that. In my view, there’s nothing wrong with that. My view could be wrong, of course, but my position is that we should not succumb to irrational belief.

Idealistic nationalist supremacy is just a form of religion.

[–] davel@lemmy.ml 5 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Maybe I see what you’re getting at, though I’m not entirely sure. American exceptionalism is a civil religion that conveniently supports bourgeois Americans and their imperialist interests.

[–] tiredturtle@lemmy.ml 1 points 7 months ago

Yea muricans are always a good example of the lot. Thanks for discussing and taking part in the philosophical pondering, it's not usual here!

[–] Omega_Haxors@lemmy.ml 4 points 7 months ago

Take your pick, it probably applies.

[–] tiredturtle@lemmy.ml -1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Modded as misinfo, worth to check the modlog... There were no links to any fake news sites nor information commented, just a realization that apparently all reports of even different cases can't possibly have any truth to them.

Trump's lawsuits could be an allegory. There's so many of them and similarly all of them have to be fake I guess. No fire where there's smoke

[–] Eyck_of_denesle@lemmy.zip 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Can you give context. What topic are you guys discussing

[–] Omega_Haxors@lemmy.ml 1 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

Pick any anti-china narrative, it covers them all.

[–] Eyck_of_denesle@lemmy.zip 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Thanks for replying but I would really appreciate if you mentioned the specific topic or the context. I'm having quite some trouble understanding your previous comment without context.

[–] Omega_Haxors@lemmy.ml 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

It's fine if you don't understand. Your mind shall remain unpoisoned.

[–] Eyck_of_denesle@lemmy.zip 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

You were referring to something by saying "it". I just want to understand the context. I mean no offence. I apologise if my comments came across in any unintentional way. English isn't my first language.

[–] Omega_Haxors@lemmy.ml 1 points 7 months ago

There is nothing to get. If you don't understand that's a good thing. You will be happier not knowing.