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Some of us told you Biden's climate bills were performance and pork and wouldn't make any difference. Some of us told you the goal was to funnel money to political allies, not save the environment.
You told us to vote harder and donate more money to Democrats in the midterms and it would work out somehow.
Yeah. How's that "most environmentally friendly president in history" talking point working out?
Per the article:
So the money is there, it's just taking time.
How does this refute the message you replied to?
Because he's arguing the work is happening, just slowly and is not just a way to funnel and steal money? The opposite of the comment he's replying to?
The work that's chosen is funneling money away.
Almost like work costs money and it takes time to do said work and gain the experience to do it faster...
Or maybe Biden should have snapped his fingers and Tesla would build 50k more stations for free? Is that how it's supposed to work?
Biden shouldn't give money to the auto industry or anyone who supports them. He should spend money on things that actually solve the problem: huge grants to build bike lanes and super blocks in cities, national high speed rail, and local rail networks.
He could literal give away eBikes to people who can't afford them. Manufacturing infrastructure for those already exists and there's actually enough lithium available to make that happen.
The problem isn't that work takes time and money, it's that this is a huge subsidy to the auto industry who are the absolute last people who should ever be involved in any kind of climate solution.
Edit: this isn't even a new thing. The auto industry sold hydrogen fuel cells as the solution last time and it turned out to just be a giant grift to buy more time to sell cars and take a bunch of money from the government. Why are you letting the same people fool you again?
By my read the money went to state transportation departments, or at least 5 of the $7B.
It sounds like a lot of money, but look at these high speed rail cost estimates. I do visual segments are HUNDREDS of billions of dollars. To re-design city bocks in Metro areas across the country is also quite expensive and ONLY benefits the people of those cities.
If we are going to make a swap to electric cars, which is IMO more plausible than a complete eisenhower-esque infrastructure overhaul, a fast and reliable charging network is a necessity.
Hate Biden if you want for in rental progress, but at least there IS some progress. I can't imagine it's easy to move the needle when an entire branch of government (the two houses) will actively vote against their own plans to keep Biden from getting any wins at all.
You're going to trust the exact same industry that grifted away 10 years and billions of dollars on hydrogen fuel cells only to switch to the promise of EVs when the grift ran out? Good luck with that.
How much power would be needed to switch to EVs everywhere? Where does that power come from? Recognizing that manufacturing and transportation are also extremely carbon intensive, would we actually be better off switching or is this just another opportunity to dump money in to the auto industry?
The US had massive rail infrastructure in the past. We know that's possible. I don't have any evidence that electric vehicles would actually improve things even if they can be rolled out. Why would I believe an industry that has lied before and has every incentive to lie again? Why would anyone?
It's less than $10B across 50 states for charging infrastructure, not to auto manufacturers as I understand, despite what you're saying. And yeah I have 2 electric cars in my garage and live next to two of the largest wind farms in the country.
Redoing rail the right way, doing full scale infrastructure overhauling to enable bicycles and revised public transit, or whatever else that services all 50 states are all projects with two more zeros and probably decades of work to build. Sorry you're jaded about that, but thousands of charging stations would be, I suspect, better in the long run than handing out bird scooters that you can only use year round in less than half of CONUS.
I will take the increment. If you don't want to buy an electric car, don't. Burn some gas and go vegan I guess.