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Yeah it's not like theyre uncomfortable with socialism in general, this is like full on self identifying STALINISM. That's something that comes with it's own mess of human rights totalitarian crap, and pointing out that the US has also done terrible things(and oh boy has it) doesnt make that any better.
Like they arent the power to the people kind of socialists their logo is literally a tank.
I consider myself a socialist.
But Stalinists and other authoritarians have essentially reactionary politics.
I'm anarchocommunist (though I often say anarchosocialist because of loaded term stuff), and I view all authoritarian stances as truly horrific. The big great huge tragedy with capitalism is that the people with capital control the state, and therefor have authority to harm the populace. Bolshevism does not do anything to fix the tragic part. Vanguard party politics consistently devolves into authoritarian regimes, and those authoritarian regimes then harm the people.
The standard by which we should be judging any political or ethical framework is the degree of agency the most disenfranchised person in the system has.
China is also an Imperialist state, with borders and a realpolitik firmly grounded in ethnic supremacy.
Worth repeating that line I think. That China is an Imperialist ethnostate, because it is very true.
There is no doubt china is an imperialist state that views itself has having a manifest destiny like right to rule the world
I'm not actually sure I agree about Chinese culture, or even the Chinese state, pursuing world domination. It seems to me as if their goal is Imperialist domination of their bordering and nearby regions, and economic Imperialist influence globally. But not outright domination.
Though of course, China's current borders are defined by Imperialism, as is its internal policy.
The ~90% of non-Han residents of the Chinese state are faced with policies exterminating local language and culture, and forcibly Han-ification - Which is Genocide by modern definitions. Xinjiang and Tibet are well-known regions with distinctive culture that were forcibly subjugated to the modern Chinese State.
Other historical Chinese states that have held influence in this region - Han or not - did not pursue extermination policies in this way. From that point of view, the CCP and its policies are betraying even the Chinese legacy of (semi-kinda-sorta) cultural pluralism.
Fellow AnCom here. Say it loud and say it proud.