I know i have been defending lemmy devs for a long time and i agree with all this the only gripe i have is nutomic seems to think he have hit it big and doesn't need to give a fuck about anything and seems to tell anyone with even the slightest criticism to stop using lemmy these past weeks and i can't simply act like that isn't wrong. I agree beehawe admins can fuck off and they are entitled assholes but this behavior is making me rethink my stand .

[–] sunaurus@lemm.ee 9 points 8 months ago (3 children)

I am very sad about the situation with Beehaw specifically.

I think it's a very unfortunate case where all parties have the best intentions of building something great with Lemmy, but through different circumstances, relations have soured and involved people no longer think they have a shared vision (which in my opinion is actually not true - I believe that Beehaws vision fits in very well with the direction Lemmy is going, especially with private communities being planned soon).

I am still hopeful that things can be improved, but we will see.

[–] Rentlar@lemmy.ca 3 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

I'm not sure why Beehaw is coming up specifically in recent day (did something happen that I missed? E: Yes, a new write up from the Beehaw team, see Blaze's reply), but their moderation issues and needs came up as early as June and July of last year, but was definitely being talked about by September between Beehaw admins and users. Here's the thread I remember on it.

Another thread on one of the major CSAM content attack events against Lemmy (the one that took out vlemmy.net as you probably will recall) highlighted their desire for a better platform.

I'm OOTL if anything specific happened between the Lemmy devs and Beehaw admins this week that caused more beef, but the mindset that the development of much needed moderation features was progressing too slowly was with the Beehaw admins for many months now.

[–] Blaze@dormi.zone 4 points 8 months ago (1 children)

https://docs.beehaw.org/docs/important-questions-decisions-and-reflections/beehaw-lemmy-and-a-vision-of-the-fediverse/

[–] Rentlar@lemmy.ca 3 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

Thank you for the link! I can see yeah it appears like drama on the face of it, but from what I see it's nutomic continuing to be defensive (as far as I'm concerned it's their right to be) and the write up is a mere extension of genuine uneasiness expressed last fall, it all just adds up to mean that Beehaw and Lemmy's goals still haven't fully aligned in the last 6 months.

I've donated to the Beehaw project because I support their vision, if they separate entirely from Lemmy on a new service I'll be happy for them for it, but I will stay on Lemmy.

[–] Blaze@dormi.zone 2 points 8 months ago

Thank you for the link!

You are welcome!

it all just adds up to mean that Beehaw and Lemmy’s goals still haven’t fully aligned in the last 6 months.

Yes indeed

[–] THE_ANTIHERO@lemmy.today 2 points 8 months ago

I do agree we should conteibute to lemmy rather than start building our own at a whim which beehaw admins don't seem to understand or care about as they have'nt put forth a PR or anything . We can always fork lemmy if the devs shat the bed but i think beehaw admins has their own egostatical problem and as i have said my only problem ia nutomic and dessalines ( sometimes ) have turned into snowflakes and can't accept any constructive criticism and asks others to fuck off i think they have decided they have hit it big to not care about anyone anymore and that irks me like a lot.

[–] Blaze@dormi.zone 1 points 8 months ago

(which in my opinion is actually not true - I believe that Beehaws vision fits in very well with the direction Lemmy is going, especially with private communities being planned soon).

Strong agree.

Hopefully there can be some renewed collaboration in the future.