Open source projects do not grow by themselves. It requires serious effort from dedicated developers to develop and maintain applications as complicated as an emulator. Yuzu's developers are banned from doing so and I don't see how this incident could help bringing more developers.

[–] tsugu 28 points 8 months ago (2 children)

I'm sure there will be developers capable enough to keep it working on new operating systems. Games that worked with it until now will keep on working, and that's what matters to most people anyways. No need for major changes to the codebase.

[–] franklin@lemmy.world 38 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I truly admire the optimism but I think it's also important to understand the hard work and dedication that the Yuzu developers put in.

You're correct that someone probably will fork it and development will continue but it is not simple and it requires a very specialized skill set.

I just think it's important to never take for granted the people who take time out of their lives to give the community something so wonderful.

[–] JDubbleu@programming.dev 11 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I don't think it's diminishing the work of the Yuzu devs, but more so a strong belief in the capabilities of the open source community. They worked their asses off and are extremely talented, and I'm sure there are others who will hop in and carry the torch.

I'm also curious if there's a programmatic way to circumvent the argument Nintendo made about bypassing DMCA by separating the emulator from the code that utilizes the keys such that you can use tool A to bypass DMCA, and tool B (Yuzu with game decryption removed) to run the circumvented game. In this case tool A already exists, and tool B could be a fork of Yuzu.

[–] Halosheep@lemm.ee 5 points 8 months ago

This is similar to how Tachiyomi forks can still exist. Even though tachiyomi never had a real case go to court, they've separated the extensions library from the reader so nothing comes "preloaded" with any potential copywrite infringing parts.

[–] lowleveldata@programming.dev 8 points 8 months ago (1 children)

to keep it working on new operating systems

That's really easier said than done

[–] unfnknblvbl@beehaw.org 4 points 8 months ago

Yeah, of all the forks and mirrors I've checked out, none of them even have the Android builds. Obviously I've not checked them all, but still...

[–] cows_are_underrated@feddit.de 16 points 8 months ago (5 children)

What do you mean with they are banned? Who's gonna stop them from contributing to one of the many Yuzu forks? What are they gonna do about it?

[–] lowleveldata@programming.dev 22 points 8 months ago

A permanent injunction is entered against Defendant enjoining it and its members, agents, servants, employees, independent contractors, successors, assigns, and all those acting in privity or under its control from:

a. Offering to the public, providing, marketing, advertising, promoting, selling, testing, hosting, cloning, distributing, or otherwise trafficking in Yuzu or any source code or features of Yuzu

IANAL but that sounds like the court is banning those developers from working on Yuzu. I mean, you can still try to work on project that is 90% Yuzu but with another name but I feel like your lawyer would advise against that.

[–] grue@lemmy.world 12 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Who’s gonna stop them from contributing to one of the many Yuzu forks? What are they gonna do about it?

The answers are "the court system" and "have the police arrest them for defying a court order" respectively.

[–] explodicle@local106.com 5 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Can't they just create pseudonyms?

[–] herrvogel@lemmy.world 9 points 8 months ago

Okay then what? Unless the devs try real hard to stay hidden, Nintendo's lawyers will do a little bit of digging, they will find out who those pseudonyms are, and sue again. And this time the devs will be extremely lucky if they can get away with just paying out 2.4m because the law generally does not appreciate it very much when you try to ignore and avoid its previous rulings. A console emulator is absolutely not worth the potentially devastating legal consequences.

[–] Hate@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 8 months ago

Nintendo would stop them. If yuzu devs want to go to court, they can continue development.

Yuzu devs could do it anonymously, but that's gl on not doxxing yourself, at risk of lawsuit.

[–] ben_dover@lemmy.world 5 points 8 months ago

it's most likely part of the cease and desist order

[–] Katana314@lemmy.world 5 points 8 months ago

I mean, I guess it can happen through private web communities of course. It would just enter the region of game cracks.

Also marginally possible someone reverse engineers, and puts up something unrecognizable compared to the original.

[–] vox@sopuli.xyz 1 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

this doesn't apply to hundreds of their contributors tho right

[–] Trarmp@feddit.nl 2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

What if I told you that throwing more developers at a problem != that problem getting solved faster?

[–] vox@sopuli.xyz 2 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

there are hundreds of open issues on ryujinx.
so there are hundreds of problems with zero developers to solve them.