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This conflict as we know it today started with the Arab nations jointly attacking the young nation of Israel. Egypt then occupied Gaza for decades, as did Jordan with the West Bank. Neither permitted the local Palestinian Arabs any influence on how they were being governed and the occupation regimes were generally authoritarian and oppressive.
You're showing either ignorance or dishonesty by instead claiming "75 years of oppression". This conflict is far more complex than that.
The lopsided civilian death toll primarily exists for two reasons: Israel goes to extreme lengths to protect its civilian population: Bomb shelters in nearly every home, early warning systems, missile defense systems. Palestinian leadership on the other hand openly encourages and forces as many civilians to die as possible, so that they can use them as political ammunition, both domestically and internationally, so that naive people like you repeat these numbers as if they were some gotcha that determines guilt. They are also routinely inflating death tolls and they stopped distinguishing between military and civilian deaths years ago, which further increases the numbers, as a sandal militia coming up against an experienced standing army will of course suffer disproportionately high losses in combat.
And yes of course you can use a bomb defensively in a military context. If you know an enemy force is about to attack you and you bomb them, the site of a planned ambush or their military infrastructure instead, is that not the defensive use of a bomb?
You skipped one step at the beginning where Israel took power by force in '48.
And by force you mean by UN mandate.
Might makes right arguments don't resonate with me.
Then you should be glad that the Arab attempt at implementing this maxim was unsuccessful.
Framing the Arabs as the mighty over the Europeans is a new one for me.
They were fighting Israel, not the entire might of Europe. In this context, they were mightier (population-wise, economically, militarily, including in terms of equipment), but they made terrible use of what they had and were fighting a people that was standing with their backs against the wall.
Israel was supplied arms from Europe during the war.
There was an arms embargo. They clandestinely bought modified Czechoslovakian-built Messerschmidts (which were awful) to use them against far superior Egyptian Spitfires. There were also various smaller purchases of arms from Europe, again in a clandestine manner. They would typically e.g. purchase a few hundred rifles through a Nicaraguan front firm, the ship would then conveniently "sink" somewhere after having offloaded the guns somewhere in international waters onto a ship heading for Israel. Other weapons, like tanks, were bought literally from scrapyards and repaired again. They got a few American bombers, which had been converted into civilian transport aircraft, converting them back to military spec - which resulted in prison sentences for the Americans who helped them with this.
Generally though, due to the American- and British-enforced embargo, the dire economic situation of the new nation of Israel and the fact that they were surrounded from all sides, except for the ocean, meant that there was a shortage of everything in Israel and that they did not have enough weapons at any point during this war. They very quickly resorted to building their own small arms as a start - that's where the famous Uzi submachine gun comes from. Decades later, they would start to build their own tanks, after realizing that relying on foreign imports was inadvisable, since the political situation could change rapidly and since imported tanks weren't ideal for their requirements. In the 1980s to early '90s, they had a program for a domestic fighter jet, which however was ended due to American pressure. The plans for this likely ended up in China.
As you can see, dumbing this down to "was supplied arms from Europe" doesn't really tell the whole story.
I've have not read any analysis that has not said the Czech weapons were superior, but I'm not a weapons expert. The Israelis also had more fighting men than the combined Arab forces. This Israel underdog narrative is mythology.
Wait so they illegaly aquired weapons and war machines to drive the locals out so they could start their country? That makes Israel sound much worse than what the other guy said.
Where do you think Jews are from? Mars? They are just as much locals as Arab Palestinians.
No, the vast majority of them emigrated to Palestine starting at the end of the 19th century, but even then they made up something like 15% of the population. You might be referring to the racial claim to the land, that since Jews came from Canaanites in the region thousands of years ago that the land belongs to Jews today, but of course that's ludicrous. Please take a look at this one example, the occupied city of Akka. It had 1.2% Jewish population in 1922, and then
So yes, they did that even though there were already Jews there, and now the city is under Israeli rule.
By the way, do you think Turkey (Ottoman Empire) or Italy (Roman Empire) have any claim to Palestinian land? Honest question.
I see this stuff all the time, and I still don't quite know what to say.
I grew up on the same taking points as you. I'm aware of the failing of the Muslim leaders.
Take a big step back. Antisemitism is skyrocketing. Children who grew up in a concentration camp and losing limbs and whole families in death from above. Over a thousand Israelis are dead. Something like 50 thousand Palestinians are dead or maimed, and millions could die of deliberate starvation. Concertgoers raped, elderly kibbutniks held hostage for months while Israeli radicals prevent the merger food and medicine allowed by the government to pass on that would feed hostages and children.
So much has gone terribly wrong. Families in the West Bank are experiencing pogroms inflicted by the grandchildren of the victims of identical pogroms in Europe and Russia. Jewish Israeli hostages have been executed by the IDF. A Jewish Israeli civilian who killed two gunmen on a rampage in Jerusalem is executed by Israeli police. Journalists and their families -- Palestinian and Jewish alike -- are being hunted inside Gaza and Israel, while an emboldened right wing openly celebrates what they proudly recognize as genocide. And hostages continue to die. Bombed, starved, buried.
STOP. It must stop. All of it. This isn't about defending Israel's right to exist. Even Israeli hawks and former prime ministers have acknowledged that this war has been hijacked for wicked ends that don't make Israel safe.
At this point, even Zionists need to wake up and call for a ceasefire. Because this is a shoah.
God, give men mercy. I'm crying. I can't bear watching this darkness. Wake up. Lovers of Israel: WAKE THE FUCK UP. Unchecked, the Jewish fascism movement is going to destroy Israel.