News
Welcome to the News community!
Rules:
1. Be civil
Attack the argument, not the person. No racism/sexism/bigotry. Good faith argumentation only. This includes accusing another user of being a bot or paid actor. Trolling is uncivil and is grounds for removal and/or a community ban. Do not respond to rule-breaking content; report it and move on.
2. All posts should contain a source (url) that is as reliable and unbiased as possible and must only contain one link.
Obvious right or left wing sources will be removed at the mods discretion. We have an actively updated blocklist, which you can see here: https://lemmy.world/post/2246130 if you feel like any website is missing, contact the mods. Supporting links can be added in comments or posted seperately but not to the post body.
3. No bots, spam or self-promotion.
Only approved bots, which follow the guidelines for bots set by the instance, are allowed.
4. Post titles should be the same as the article used as source.
Posts which titles don’t match the source won’t be removed, but the autoMod will notify you, and if your title misrepresents the original article, the post will be deleted. If the site changed their headline, the bot might still contact you, just ignore it, we won’t delete your post.
5. Only recent news is allowed.
Posts must be news from the most recent 30 days.
6. All posts must be news articles.
No opinion pieces, Listicles, editorials or celebrity gossip is allowed. All posts will be judged on a case-by-case basis.
7. No duplicate posts.
If a source you used was already posted by someone else, the autoMod will leave a message. Please remove your post if the autoMod is correct. If the post that matches your post is very old, we refer you to rule 5.
8. Misinformation is prohibited.
Misinformation / propaganda is strictly prohibited. Any comment or post containing or linking to misinformation will be removed. If you feel that your post has been removed in error, credible sources must be provided.
9. No link shorteners.
The auto mod will contact you if a link shortener is detected, please delete your post if they are right.
10. Don't copy entire article in your post body
For copyright reasons, you are not allowed to copy an entire article into your post body. This is an instance wide rule, that is strictly enforced in this community.
view the rest of the comments
Let's see what the source says:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/southwest-land-border-encounters
There were 50k more border encounters (illegal apprehensions) in December than the year before. In fact, encounters have been significantly higher than recent years since August (no data for January).
You can agree or disagree with the response to the influx of people at the border. But there is no denying there has been a considerable increase in traffic.
Except we've heard this (the surge point) every year for the past several election seasons and at other times. Someone didn't learn the lesson of the boy who cried wolf. Tough to get people to listen when it's actually happening if you bullshit them at other times.
I don't disagree one bit. The Border(TM) gets trotted out more than it ought to every couple years. That's probably why this issue will never be fixed--it's great at riling people up.
However, I think people should still be aware of the facts of the situation. At least if they actually care about the problem. Misinformation doesn't fix anything.
I agree. And I appreciate you sharing that information.
I also need to point out that you are sharing a .gov link and treating it like the bible.
I find .gov citations to be some of the least reliable sources of information on the internet.
America is OBSESSED with propaganda.
This right here confuses me. The people claiming that government numbers can't be trusted are the same people who regularly rolled out government covid death numbers are the gospel truth during covid. My personal belief is that those numbers were wildly overblown, so I'm willing to believe that in this case you might be right and the migrant numbers are also overblown. That being said you can't have it both ways. We're the covid death numbers false?
Brother, you caught a real one.
I am very confused.
I try to live my life mathematically. I cite sources that claim firm numbers frequently.
We are in a fucky time.
Everyone has the ability to capture unimpeachable figures, but everyone with a grasp on the raw data has a dude an inch over their shoulder saying "100 bucks if you fudge it."
We got strong in tech and the first thing we did as a digital world was fire the QA people and the auditors.
Seems like a great way to faceplant the gift of computers.
But what can you do?
If you think this is BS, then bring numbers and facts. This surge, at the moment, is real. Check OP's link.
It's real. It's happening. FFS, put politics aside, this is a humanitarian issue. And how are we to absorb so many extra immigrants this year?
Conservatives are bitching about jobs. Liberals are bitching about housing costs. Both concerns are wildly complex, but we have an issue right now, today.
Check my earlier comments and numbers. How do you propose to deal with an extra CHICAGO+ worth of humans? How fast can we build infrastructure and housing? I will point out, we're only talking about illegal Southern border crossings, leaving out the rest of the immigration story. FFS, my wife is an immigrant. We're trying to get her son over here.
I don't have ideas, no ideas we can deploy fast enough, I ain't that smart. But just because conservatives are pitching a fit doesn't mean our current border crossings are not an issue.
We're talking about live human beings here. Waving them off as a GOP conspiracy is ignorant at best, hurting people. Want to go to the border and tell those people they're not real? Tell them they're GOP pawns? Or, someone will come along and tell me they don't believe government numbers they don't agree with. Like the nuts did with COVID and the CDC?
I hear you. But you missed my point. Because at other times people lied about surges, it makes it harder to believe them when they occur. That's all I said. I have no alternate story or numbers for our current predicament.
Easy, just don't look. Then I don't have to believe it exists.
It's like the old sanctuary cities. Politicians pontificating that "all are welcome," and "no human is illegal," until their city actually gets too many of them. Then it's, "whoa there, they should stay in Texas, not come here!"
Ignoring the facts given to you because someone else lied about this in the past doesn't really make any sense.
Could absolutely be more enforcement, and not more traffic.
Did they add more enforcers, or did the existing ones get better at catching them?
I think the increase is corroborated by other measures, such as the size of tent cities in Tijuana etc.
Still, even if calling it a "migrant surge" is factually accurate, that doesn't stop it from being propagandistic loaded language that any legitimate media outlet should avoid.