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Denver police have arrested a 13-year-old boy accused of fatally shooting a man whose leg was blocking the aisle on a public bus.

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[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 15 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Yes, that would definitely be one of the many, many better arguments for guns than 'protection against bears and mountain lions.'

[–] TWeaK@lemm.ee 7 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Even then, though, you don't need pistols for hunting.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 4 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I do know of people who hunt with handguns, but it is definitely rarer. I honestly don't have any issues with hunting if you eat what you hunt. If you just do it to massacre an animal and just leave it where you killed it, fuck you, but I have no issue with responsible hunting practices.

That said, it's my understanding that bow hunting is the fastest, and thus most painless way of killing an animal.

[–] NoIWontPickaName@kbin.social 6 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

That is completely False.
I have shells that will cause a 3 to 4 inch cavitation hole when they hit something causing a large amount of damage and blood loss that will kill with any hit in the chest area.

With a bow, even if you hit the heart it will still take time, especially if you miss and then it is bleeding, suffering, and you have to track it.

At top skill in both I would say it is a tie in that both have the potential to kill instantly, a bow is more likely to harm than kill at lower skill levels though.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago

Fair enough. I'm not a hunter. That's just something I've been told before.

[–] NoIWontPickaName@kbin.social 2 points 9 months ago (1 children)
[–] TWeaK@lemm.ee 2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Yes but you'd struggle to get close enough to make a reliably good shot. Ranged shots are what rifles are for.

[–] NoIWontPickaName@kbin.social 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Most of the things I’ve shot in my life with the rifle I was close enough I could’ve done it with a pistol.

We hunt in forests around here not plains.

[–] TWeaK@lemm.ee 2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Pistol shooting practice is typically done at no more than 25 yards, while hunting rifles can more comfortably do a longer range. Sure, you can hit with a pistol at similar ranges (especially with a larger caliber as you propose) but rifles are better for controlling the recoil and typically more accurate. If the goal is to actually hit, and in particular kill painlessly, a rifle is the better tool.

[–] NoIWontPickaName@kbin.social 1 points 9 months ago

I think the farthest shot I have had was maybe 35 yards.

You basically find a good trail and put up a blind or stand near it.

We have to cut our own firing lanes so short distances are much preferred. Lol

[–] NoIWontPickaName@kbin.social 3 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Tbf I carry a rifle any time I go in the woods damn near.

I love nature but am terrified of bears and I want a big firecracker, if it comes down to trying to use it on a bear that wants to fight I am probably already fucked and I know that.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 6 points 9 months ago (2 children)

If it makes you feel more secure, I won't judge you, but you should know that-

Statistics suggest there have been over 180 fatal bear attacks in North America since 1784. While the majority of these fatal attacks have been carried out by wild bears, some are the result of bears held in captivity.

https://blog.batchgeo.com/bear-attack-statistics/

In contrast-

over 100 people drown every year in bathtubs.

https://www.cpsc.gov/Newsroom/News-Releases/1975/CPSC-Releases-New-Study-On-Bathtub-And-Shower-Injuries

[–] Garbanzo@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Statistics like this are bunk. If I'm camping in the forest my chances of having a bad encounter with a bear are astronomically higher than drowning in a bathtub. Context is everything when it comes to your specific risk profile.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago

Except your chances of having a bad encounter with a bear are almost zero. Because bears almost never attack humans. Which is the point.

[–] NoIWontPickaName@kbin.social 3 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Oh I recognize that it is completely irrational.

It is just a childhood fear that I can’t beat.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Fair enough. Like I say, I'm not judging you. If that's what you need to feel secure, that's what you need to feel secure.

[–] NoIWontPickaName@kbin.social 2 points 9 months ago

I don’t mean it that way, I was just acknowledging that I know it doesn’t make sense. lol