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What would be some fact that, while true, could be told in a context or way that is misinfomating or make the other person draw incorrect conclusions?

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[–] BendyLemmy@lemmy.ml 81 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (11 children)

'true fact'.

  • Facts cannot be anything except for true.
  • Anyone who uses the two words 'true fact' together cannot be trusted because they know neither the meaning of the word 'true' or the word 'fact'.
[–] Stan@lemmywinks.com 16 points 1 year ago

Oh how I miss the before times.

[–] koreth@lemm.ee 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Counterpoint: True Facts is a great series of humorous nature documentaries.

[–] WagnasT@iusearchlinux.fyi 6 points 1 year ago

Imagine trying to move by riding a unicycle backwards and throwing up through a giant straw. That is how the nautilus do.

[–] Therefore@aussie.zone 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm so sorry but it's either/or & neither/nor. Gotta follow through with the negation.

[–] BendyLemmy@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago

That's very negative, however I must concur that it's a fact the correlative conjunctions were incorrectly placed to negate the possibilities.

Whether that fact is true or not is up to you.

[–] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 8 points 1 year ago
[–] myslsl@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

I can't trust you on this because you are using the words 'true fact'.

[–] JackGreenEarth@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Facts are just objective statements, which can be either true or false, but whichever they are it is objective and not dependant on the observer.

I mean, it's a semantic argument, and semantics is subjective, but that's probably how the people who say 'true fact' are defining fact.

[–] lorez@lemm.ee 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

No, a statement can be true or false. A fact is always true.

[–] JackGreenEarth@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That's why I clarified that the definition of any word, including the word fact, is subjective.

[–] lorez@lemm.ee -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

No it’s not or we’ll bicker over every word and square could mean triangle. We have agreed upon word definitions. That’s part of a language.

[–] JackGreenEarth@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Language is constantly evolving. Deal with it.

[–] lorez@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago

That doesn’t mean that word definitions are absolutely not arbitrary nor subjective. They are agreed upon in a civilization at any given time. I don’t have to deal with anything.

[–] milo128@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

this must be one of those false facts

What about "alternative facts"?

[–] gloriousspearfish@feddit.dk 2 points 1 year ago

That's a true fact!

[–] MooseBoys@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Who called the tautology police?

[–] JasonDJ@vlemmy.net 1 points 1 year ago

I see your “True Facts” and raise you Kellyanne Conway.

[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 1 year ago

Natural language is inherently imprecise.

Boom, pedants shook.