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“I’m just ashamed that this bill even came into fruition,” a Lexington council member said.

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[–] Reverendender@sh.itjust.works 16 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (4 children)

Licenses to Kill for everyone! Seriously though, can you really make murder legal, and not face any federal consequences?

[–] cosmicrookie@lemmy.world 14 points 10 months ago (2 children)

They make murder legal but abortion illigal because it is murder

[–] quirzle@kbin.social 12 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Once this law passes, I think you're in the clear as long as you get the abortion on your own property and claim self defense.

[–] Fedizen@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago

you just need to show they didnt pay rent for a month.

[–] Reverendender@sh.itjust.works 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Kind of like how in the south everything is “Coke,” but there’s different flavors like “Sprite Coke” and “Orange Coke?” (I’m not from the south so I may have gotten that wrong)

[–] PM_Your_Nudes_Please@lemmy.world 10 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Not quite. Coke is the general term, but nobody would refer to it as “sprite coke”. So the conversation would be more along the lines of:

”Hey, do you want a coke?”
“Sure, what do you have?”
“I’ve got Sprite, Dr Pepper, cola, Pepsi, and root beer.”
“Oh I’ll take a Dr Pepper.”

The first line uses “coke” as a general “soda/pop/etc” term, but notice that it isn’t used again, because they’re not referring to generalized soda/pop/coke anymore, and are being specific. And if you want a Coca-Cola brand Coke, you just ask for cola.

[–] grue@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago

Nah, we'd use "Coke" again in the third line and it'd be understood to mean specifically Coca-Cola because Pepsi was also mentioned to contrast with it. Otherwise, if we said “I’ve got Sprite, Dr Pepper, coke, and root beer" then that "coke" might be Pepsi. Either way, saying "cola" instead would be unusual.

"Coke" can mean any soda, any cola, or Coca-Cola Classic specifically depending on context.

[–] some_designer_dude@lemmy.world 9 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I don’t even see how this changes anything. The cops kill people all day every day and never see consequences besides paid vacations. The legal system is a (dark) joke on everyone but the rich.

[–] pinkdrunkenelephants@lemmy.cafe 4 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

The more sinister aspects of the law are sections 18 and 19 which enable them to corral homeless people into basically concentration camps.

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Oh no, that's just a road to the worst section. If you can get them to resist, probably by destroying their property, then you've got them on a "violent felony".

Do that three times and this law turns then into a ~~slave~~ prisoner for life, without parole.

Yup, they're pairing this with a three strikes law.

[–] pinkdrunkenelephants@lemmy.cafe 3 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

And section 17 of the bill defines camping as setting up camping equipment anywhere outside of designated areas for any reason.

SECTION 17. A NEW SECTION OF KRS CHAPTER 511 IS CREATED TO READ AS FOLLOWS:

(1) For purposes of this section:

(a) "Camp" means to pitch, erect, or occupy camp facilities, or to use camp paraphernalia;

(b) "Camp facilities" means structures for the use of camping, including but not limited to tents, huts, temporary shelters, and vehicles; and

( c ) "Camp paraphernalia" means items used for camping purposes, including but not limited to cots, beds, sleeping bags, and hammocks.

(2) A person is guilty of unlawful camping when he or she knowingly enters or remains on a public or private street, sidewalk, area under a bridge or underpass, path, park, or other area designated for use by pedestrians or vehicles, including areas used for ingress or egress to businesses, homes, or public buildings, with the intent to sleep or camp in that area, when the area has not been designated for the purpose of sleeping or camping or the individual lacks authorization to sleep or camp in the area.

(3) Unlawful camping is a:

(a) Violation for the first offense; and

(b) Class B misdemeanor for the second and each subsequent offense, or if during the first offense the individual refuses to cease the offense.

(4) Nothing in this section shall be construed to prohibit the customary and temporary use of recreational camping areas, rest areas, or other properties that are specifically designated for purposes of resting or sleeping

So anyone could just set up a tent somewhere and be jailed or shot. Prop for a photo or movie? Shot. Shade tent in a park at your family's 4th of July barbecue? Shot. Protesters setting up tents just to piss off the cops? Believe it or not, shot.

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago

Well no, they do except "legitimate recreational activities" later on. The thing is, no one thinking about using this law is going to bother to read the definition.

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago

In the US the federal government can only prosecute you under specific circumstances. Generally it's going to be the state, or even your county.

[–] rsuri@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Typically states are allowed to set their own criminal laws as it's considered within their powers under the 10th Amendment without federal interference. But they can't pass a law that would violate the US constitution. This one I'm sure would lead to at least a couple of constitutional arguments, one being that if the state used execution to punish illegal camping it would definitely violate the 8th Amendment, and they can't just get around that by outsourcing enforcement to individuals. Even this very Republican supreme court might now allow that.

But to answer the question, if the state wanted to just straight up legalize murder for everyone I think they'd be able to do it without issue.

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago

Oh they've had stand your ground laws for a while now. This is just a new way to get most Americans to tune out. Police say they were homeless and aggressive.