One question that I have is why? I mean I could see right-wing freaks wanting to conquer some land, but why do the regular Israeli people still do/support this shit? If they did, Netanyahu would have been out a long time ago. I don’t think some land is worth this crisis.

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 26 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

Maybe you're too young to remember, but the exact same thing happened in the US after 9/11

The vast majority of people are only seeing what they're encouraged to see on their mainstream news channels. They don't necessarily support it, they don't even know this shit is happening. People supported the so-called "war on terror" long after it was clear it was wrong.

[–] ThatsMrCharlieToYou@sh.itjust.works 8 points 8 months ago (1 children)

It must be so difficult to recognise the difference between agenda driven propaganda and genuine reporting, especially if the infrastructure for free press isn't there. It's really sad when you think about it

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 21 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

"Free press" is a myth tbh

Profitable news media has to appease its owners and sponsors and inside sources and viewers; they self-censor in order to maximize viewership and not offend their owners or sponsors or inside sources. Public media isn't much better, since they're still reliant on donors and government support. Independent not-for-profit media is good, but while they tell the truth their resources are smaller than the rest. Big social media is algorithmic garbage that is meant to drive engagement and has no interest in actually informing the public about anything.

But on the bright side, the free press has never really existed, so really we're not worse off than any other point in history lol

[–] davel@lemmy.ml 13 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Some people haven’t read Manufacturing Consent, or the better book that came out two years before, Inventing Reality.

[–] snek@lemmy.world 7 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Good ol' Chomsky.

If people don't like reading books I reconnend literally any YouTube video with him discussing Israel and comparing it to foreign relations in American history.

[–] davel@lemmy.ml 4 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

They made a film adaptation of the book, though I’ve yet to see it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Li2m3rvsO0I

[–] ocassionallyaduck@lemmy.world 16 points 8 months ago (2 children)

The average Israeli citizen has been fed propaganda that rivals Russia since day one framing all their nations actions as defensive and necessary. And (broadly speaking) until this war only a few states would argue against this.

It also goes deeper than I initially knew, and Israeli schools and Israeli media fully include Gaza and the west bank wholly as part of Israeli, leading to a belief it is "occupied" by Palestinians, as well as teaching and reporting on Palestine only as terrorists, while enforcing this apartheid state.

So you have now generations of Israelis raised on this, gleefully committing war crimes because they believe it is rightful and just because the Palestinians are all Hamas. Yes even the children.

The level of Propaganda and how successful it has been is horrifying. This was the deliberate goal of the extreme Zionists in Israel, and their success means horrifying things for the world.

[–] fastandcurious@lemmy.world 4 points 8 months ago

But shouldn’t the people who live in the west bank have a better idea? Probably not a big enough to influence elections but I have also heard that Palestinians in west bank are regularly abused by Israeli civilians

[–] FriendBesto@lemmy.ml 0 points 8 months ago

Many are not as brainwashed as you make it seem.

[–] FriendBesto@lemmy.ml 4 points 8 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Why? Because if you destroy Homes, Infrastructure and Historical, Cultural landmarks then you emphasise the notion that the Palestinians will never return. There is nothing to rebuild. It is smart but also, very evil. They -- goverment, IDF, etc -- know exactly wha they are doing.

Many Israelis do not support this. Not all Jews are Zionists. There ARE protests against it, Western media generally will not show them. Israeli media will not report on it much, it is part of conteolled media via censorship. It is called HASBARA. The goverment calls it "explaining," but it is essentially propaganda via selected news and censorship.

But Bibi has his supporters. Generally, very Conservative Jews, Orthodox and the ones who think they are walking victims screaming "We lived in a Holocaust!!!" Every 5 minutes, the ones who label any sort or all criticism as anti-semetic.