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[–] Sheeple@lemmy.world 94 points 10 months ago (3 children)

That's because "White" as a concept has always been invented to be nebulous and exclusionary. It's not a real group.

[–] shneancy@lemmy.world 44 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

yeah it's funny seeing Poland in that list since for a hot while we were not considered "real white" and were "slavic", same story as what the Irish went through. From what i'm reading at some point we were even considered terrorists in the US! (because one Polish dude killed some president), and the same scare tactics as what happens around Muslim people today were engaged

history is so fun /s

[–] boredtortoise@lemm.ee 2 points 10 months ago

None of the examples are "white" countries, gotta be anon doing some kind of a bit

[–] winterayars@sh.itjust.works 17 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, whiteness is all about who isn't white so it doesn't make sense for it to exist without people who aren't. The Irish, Italians, and Jews are all just some demographic shifts away from being not-white.

[–] Allero@lemmy.today 10 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Moreover, the concept of race is outdated and deprecated in the scientific community, mainly because most people (and nations) had some influence of several of them and can't be strictly categorized as one or the other.

Cool that you mentioned Jews, because they are a very interesting case study. There is so much diversity within them that you'll never be able to tell which race they belong to. There are even large groups of black jews living in Ethiopia, Uganda, Nigeria and other countries, which is a revelation for many.

[–] rab@lemmy.ca 0 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Does the same go for black then too?

[–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 26 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Oh man, you've never heard of racism between black people? It's quite something...

My friend of Haitian origin can't mention his family is from Haiti when he goes on vacation in the Dominican Republic!

Blacks from Africa hating on blacks from American countries because they're not true blacks...

Rwanda genocide...

[–] GregorGizeh@lemmy.zip 16 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

The sad truth is that, at our core, we are still apes of different colors. Dumb, tribalist, warring, greedy animals, except the actual apes are nowhere near as fucked up as we are and I basically just slandered them.

Just look at Israel, the country made a safe haven for the Jews after the ww2 genocide doing a little genociding of their own now because they can. We don’t learn our lesson, ever.

[–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 5 points 10 months ago

Fear of differences is a defense mechanism that's perfectly normal in nature and that we must fight since, as you said, we're just animals in the end...

[–] winterayars@sh.itjust.works 6 points 10 months ago (2 children)

A lot of that is down to colonial meddling, though obviously not all of it.

Asian countries get in on this kind of thing, too. Try being Asian-but-not-Chinese in China or even Singapore.

[–] voidMainVoid@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago

Try being Asian-but-not-Chinese in China or even Singapore.

Or being Korean in Japan... The funny thing is that anthropologists believe that the (non-indigeonous) Japanese actually descended from Koreans.

[–] Dudewitbow@lemmy.zip 2 points 10 months ago

You can even just be an asian born elsewhere but that ethnicity and get shit talked by those native from said country. Doesn't even have to be between ethnicities.

[–] SkyezOpen@lemmy.world 7 points 10 months ago

Seeing as the "one drop rule" is still essentially in effect, yeah basically. Moreover, "white" was never a skin color. Irish people weren't considered white when they were mass immigrating to the US, and they're the palest motherfuckers that exist.

It's all made up.