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I've got to disagree here. Well, partially agree partially disagree. I think it's absolutely the case that your example qualifies, making a big deal about representation of Nazis in the armed forces is a kind of big lie that's just getting repeated without any sense of context or proportionality.
But I don't think it's a both sides thing the way you're making it out to be. You're acknowledging that it's Russia being worse than Ukraine, but it's not merely a difference of one being slightly worse, it's a huge part of the Russian narrative, whereas it factors in in no way whatsoever in Ukraine's message to the outside world. Ukraine has made historical analogies, in major speeches and communications to the outside world, but has not made the case that their sovereignty is legitimized due to anything having to do with Nazi representation in the Russian armed forces. It just doesn't at all play an equal role in the moral cases they're making.
Russia can't call ukrainians ukrainians because everyone here knows at least a couple of persons with ukrainian background or a surname. They only call them ukronazis, ukrofascist to distant them and further dehumanize, to sell it to public. And then, if you look at formations actively participating in the conflict, there are intermixed remains of said Azov on one side, a shadow from their autonomous existence in 2014, and actively recruiting neo-paganist Rusich with their head Milchakov saying on an open mic he's a nazi and still walking free as we talk.
There's indeed no bothsiding about it.
And whenever you see a ukrainian hatred against russians, you should put it into a context of nine years of continuous violence against them. It's maybe irrational, maybe unreasonably grouping the whole country together, but would you really ackshually them out of speaking about their pain? I'm a russian, and I understand it, and that our failure to hold onto power in the 00s now led to some 100k+ people cities being brought to the ground for no fucking reason, all that fear, and hatred, and loss. Half of them woke up to artillery blasts, ducked and covered, slept in metro and basements, had electric and other outages, if not lost relatives or have some serving on the outposts. It's obvious why they don't like us.
If some american or european would try to downplay it, you can use our secret slavic spell. It sounds dee nakh. Say it to them. Say it again. They'd not know it means 'go fuck yourself', but they'd certainly feel it.
And OP can eat some berries - green ones, purple ones, bloody ones. In the end, they are all the same. And there's no bunch of corpses laying under one of these plants, winking, suggesting one won't like to eat them.