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[–] NatakuNox@lemmy.world 40 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Was Native American raids on "Settlements" terrorism? Was Nat Turner's rebellion terrorism?

Hamas is evil and the acts they have done are evil. But they weren't created in a vacuum. Peace and a one or two state solution needs to be agreed apone by all with a right to self determination for the cycle of evil to stop.

[–] Zehzin@lemmy.world 16 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Do you like this group of people? If yes, freedom fighters; if not, terrorists

Do you like this state? If yes, government; if not, regime.

[–] NatakuNox@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I don't like Hamas. They are nothing more than bigoted murderers. But they are created from a system of hate. This isn't an argument of viewpoint. It's just facts

[–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

What's bigoted about them? They want to kill their oppressors they don't care about race or religion.

[–] barsoap@lemm.ee -1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

"They don't care about religion" must be the single most misinformed take I've heard on this subject. Hamas is an offshoot of the Muslim Brotherhood. They're Islamists. What's next, "critical support for ISIS"?

[–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

There's a church in Gaza full of CHRISTIANS that was shot by who again two days ago? Was it Hamas? Oh no it was the IDF!

Because Hamas fights against oppressive Nazis not people of a different religion.

[–] barsoap@lemm.ee -3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Because the IDF commits war crimes Hamas is not a theocratic dictatorial regime? How did you manage to infer the one from the other?

I'll readily grant Hamas that it doesn't oppress Christians more than it oppresses Muslims. They're still oppressors, though.

[–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

When you call the guys committing literal genocide and the Americans backing them the "freedom fighters defending human rights" and the natives resisting genocide "the bigoted oppressors".

[–] barsoap@lemm.ee -3 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

I didn't call native Americans anything. Both Hamas and Kahanites are fascists, both are the reason why there's still violence, they need each other in their desire for eternal war and the victims, as always, are the people.

Here's what the guys you're fanboying for have been up to in the recent years. Or do you also think that men who dare cut women's hair should be tortured?

[–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 0 points 11 months ago

Reminder that while abortions laws are very strict in Gaza, women with medical emergencies can actually get abortion!

So is Hamas now less bigoted than the US? Did the Allies have their LGBTQIA+ rights in order before they decided to fight the Nazi's

Your whataboutism is irrelevant they are being oppressed by a genocidal regime.

The only reason Hamas is in power in the first place is because the population wants to resist genocide. Else a more moderate government would have been in place for a long time now.

[–] barsoap@lemm.ee -3 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Native American militias didn't brutalise Native Americans, much unlike Hamas does to Palestinians.

[–] MrSpArkle@lemmy.ca 6 points 11 months ago (1 children)

This is simply not true. Plenty of natives fought against other natives, whether independently, or with US troops, or for bounties.

[–] barsoap@lemm.ee -2 points 11 months ago

Those were generally clashes between different tribes. Hamas is doing internal political oppression, brutalising political opponents etc.

[–] NatakuNox@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Uhhhhhh one there was definitely infighting amongst the various tribes. Even during colonial expansion. Two Hamas is doing exactly what the IDF and Israelis government pays them to do.

[–] barsoap@lemm.ee -4 points 11 months ago

Uhhhhhh one there was definitely infighting amongst the various tribes.

Irrelevant because Gaza is not different tribes, thus I ignored it. But I bet you felt smart typing that.

Two Hamas is doing exactly what the IDF and Israelis government pays them to do.

Quite an edgelord take but yes they're oppressing Palestinians, and killed a lot of Israeli leftists, hippie Kibbutz type people actually helping people in Gaza, in their attacks, Kahanites certainly don't mind that. I don't think Israel was planning on Hamas having a shot at the Israeli-Saudi rapprochement, though.