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[–] Son_of_dad@lemmy.world 59 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Utterly unapologetic to the point of blaming society for "failing her" instead of owning up to her shitty parenting

[–] rosymind@leminal.space 43 points 11 months ago (2 children)

I mean, society did fail her but that doesn't mean she shouldn't take responsibility for what happened. She left her gun in her purse, unsecured, around a six year old with serious mental health issues. She is absolutely liable. That doesn't mean that she is the only one to blame, tho

[–] Son_of_dad@lemmy.world 28 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Society has failed most of us, we're still responsible for our actions. She had an unsecured gun with no lockbox or trigger lock, this is on her.

[–] rosymind@leminal.space 7 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Oh, I agree. She had a gun and thus a responsibility to keep it out of her kids hands. I read a bit more about it, and apparently she discharged the weapon a short while prior because she believed that her boyfriend was cheating on her. Yikes!

Doesn't change that we can't recognize that this likely stems from many societal problems

I think the world would be better, if we accept BOTH personal responsibility, and the responsibility that we have to others living in the society we all share. It probably won't happen any time soon, but I can try to spread the idea

[–] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Just ban guns and call it a day. We can deal with the occasional crazy person with a knife.

[–] derpgon@programming.dev -4 points 11 months ago (2 children)

That's what Britain thought aswell.

[–] StorminNorman@lemmy.world 9 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Britain's knife crime rate is lower than the US' knife crime rate.

[–] maryjayjay@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Yep, the US rate of knife crime is more than 7 times higher than the UK, and that is per capita

[–] shasta@lemm.ee 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Not sure what point you're trying to make. Comparisons should be done per capita. Otherwise, it's useless.

[–] maryjayjay@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Usually morons will point out how much larger our population is than the UK. I was stressing that the measure IS per capita, and it is egregiously worse.

I was going out of my way to avoid people missing my point while adding more information, but there's always someone...

I edited my post

[–] masterspace@lemmy.ca 7 points 11 months ago

And they were right. Notice how Britain doesn't have weekly mass stabbings?

[–] pinkdrunkenelephants@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

That kid didn't have mental health problems. He was just imitating how he watched his hopelessly retarded, selfish, dysfunctional and immature parents act.

[–] rosymind@leminal.space 1 points 11 months ago

I would argue that one path to having mental illness is neglect. It could also be that he was exposed to drugs (or chemicals) in utero (which can also effect brain development).

There's a book I can recommend, but it's a bit controversial.

[–] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world -3 points 11 months ago (3 children)

If she was white would the verdict have been exactly the same, yes or no?

[–] jpreston2005@lemmy.world 8 points 11 months ago (1 children)

depends on the flavor. white trash vs. rich and pretty? white trash gets same sentence, rich and pretty gets a talk show.

[–] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Being an attractive white woman is like playing the game of life in tutorial mode levels of difficult. Like what is the very worst thing that can happen to you, Starbucks gets your special latte pink drink order incorrect?

[–] lazynooblet@lazysoci.al 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)
[–] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago

Must be nice to still be innocent

[–] rbesfe@lemmy.ca -2 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Race-baiting this situation is such a scummy thing to do. Think before you post.

[–] masterspace@lemmy.ca 4 points 11 months ago

It's not race baiting, it's asking a legitimate question.

It is hard to imagine a judge separating a mother from her child for two years. The foster system isn't known for improving an at risk child's mental health.

[–] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago

If she was white would the verdict have been exactly the same, yes or no?

[–] JustZ@lemmy.world -4 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Yeah but like she probably had shitty parents too. You're faulting her for what, not breaking a generational cycle she doesn't even realize she's part of?

[–] rbesfe@lemmy.ca 4 points 11 months ago (1 children)

We're faulting her for leaving an unsecured loaded firearm within reach of a fucking 6 year-old. Plenty of people with shitty parents know better than that.

[–] JustZ@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago

I was talking about her speech.