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As you've probably heard, Threads (a fairly new social network from Facebook's parent company Meta) is testing integration with the fediverse. Depending on how you look at it, it's a great opportunity, a huge threat, or both!

Back in May and June, when Threads' first announced their plans, there were quite a few polls on Mastodon about people's reactions, most showing opinions split roughly equally. How do people feel today?

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[–] ieightpi@lemmy.world 13 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I'm so disappointed that it isn't an overwhelming majority of votes against federating with Meta. How do most people not realize this is just their chance to take advantage of the fediverse? And like haven't we heard enough bad things about Meta to avoid them?

I am extremely against federating with Threads.

[–] dumpsterlid@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

People in support of federating with threads keep saying we don't need to worry about meta trying to extend, embrace and extinguish the fediverse because the software and architecture of the fediverse makes it impervious. In other words, technology will defend us from politics, money and power.

It is a categorical error in logic to think that a technology can solve problems of the type: politics, money or power.

WE have to solve those problems by understanding how history repeats itself and how large corporations fundamentally relate to publicly shared resources irrespective of what the CEOs say or even think themselves. We have to realize you can't write a computer function that will stop a massive corporation from corrupting a collective human endeavor. Only humans can do that by organizing to collectively reject the membership of the massive corporation from the community around the collective human endeavor. As soon as you let meta in the door, you have lost a very important ideological power struggle over the fediverse's identity.

To those of you who argue that being against federating with meta/threads is elitist and comes from a desire of not wanting to let "normies" in who will dilute fediverse culture... I don't want to let massive corporations in precisely because I think it fosters an environment where a diversity of people, specifically minorities, are not made to feel safe or welcome. Most of the cool people worth actually talking to on the fediverse came here because they didn't feel safe or welcome on a corporate social network owned by a massive corporation.

If your response to that is well but what about all the normies that the massive corporation could rope into the fediverse that the tiny, pathetic fediverse will never reach? I return to my original point. This isn't a struggle over programs, code, software... it is a struggle of politics, money and power and we have to relate to it that way. To let a massive corporation into the fediverse that basically has the resources of an entire rich nation and think it won't utterly exploit and derail the future of the fediverse is absurd. If a company is publicly traded on the stockmarket, it is essentially obligated legally to do so in the pursuit of potential profit for its investors. We can't get the reach a massive corporation could give us without also fundamentally giving up what makes the fediverse a better alternative than corporate social media. It is a deal with the devil no matter what way you spin it.

[–] ieightpi@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago

Great write up. I really hope that we can pull this off and keep Meta out of the majority of the Fediverse