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I 100% agree with everything you days. I wouldn't install this mod, but I also don't think it should be removed, at least given what I know about it.
Nexus Mods specifically has rules against these kinds of mods. It was removed for violating them. They have the right to make whatever rules they went about the content they host.
I'm curious what the rule is specifically against, now. Presumably it's against mods that reduce or remove LGBTQ content from games?
Not just LGBTQ content, but also things that race swap characters. It’s why they took down the mod that made Wyll white.
The article links to the Nexus Mods post about banning the person who uploaded it.
But not sex swapping characters, then? Because I've seen mods that do that and hang around.
Also, if the next TES game is set in Hammerfell as rumored, I suspect there will be race swapping mods and only some will be considered in violation. Because most of the characters would likely be Redguards (and thus black), and I can see people upset that the PC can be a white guy (which is how one would describe the other races of men) killing lots of black people (Hammerfell is the homeland of the Redguard, the only race of men you'd call black). So I fully expect mods to make random encounter villain groups more racially diverse, since you'd expect them to be Redguards in Hammerfell about as often as they were Nords in Skyrim (aka most of the time) and I can see that being too many black people being killed without comment for some people to be comfortable.
Either that or for Bethesda to do it themselves, and come up with some explanation why mysteriously the natives aren't mooks very often just to avoid the bad press.
It sounds like it wasn't the content of the mod, but the description text that got it banned.
In that text the author exposed his bigoted intentions.
There are tons of gender swap / dialog change mods.
Their desires are no less valid than ours.
Not sure what you mean? I was simply clarifying the reason for deletion.
Regarding their desires, sure, that's fine, but it's the nexus mod's platform and they have no obligation to host content they disagree with, regardless of validity of reason.
Just like how Facebook has no obligation to display democrat talking points? They can filter and supress how they please. What's wrong with that, right?
We gotta come to some kind of agreement about mass media and the way they control everyone's lives. Websites with a certain level of influence gotta be held accountable as avenues of speech.
Wtf man yes! A private entity has no obligation to host speech of others that they disagree with.
It is not their fault that clowns get confused about the narrative, and it's not nexus' fault that bigots can't find mods they want.
So where do I get my news? If everyone on every platform just just demonizing and censoring their opposition, what's fair? Am I supposed to just stoop to that bullshit myself? If that's the way, we're never gonna overcome the interests of the rich.
I think we gotta draw a line between private entities. There's a good difference between a single person or club and huge outlets like Facebook and Nexus mods. How do we articulate the distinction?
I'm not saying it was against their rules, I'm saying their rules kinda suck if they led them to remove this.
Imo, only mods that spread malware or hate (and maybe some other categories I'm missing) should be removed. This doesn't do either. I think it's a stupid mod and I'd never use it, but that doesn't mean it should be stricken from the platform.
But I agree, at the end of the day, they can remove whatever they want, I just think the rule sucks.
They said they want to create a “positive modding community,” and nothing about a mod like that is positive. No one is obliged to host hate.
And nothing about this seems negative or hateful. Do you think changing a character to be homosexual is somehow negative or hateful? What about just switching their gender? Race? At what point does it become negative or hateful?
That said, I haven't used this mod and I'm largely reacting to the headline here, so I could very well be missing something important. But if it's just changing a character from LGBT to cis or whatever (or vice versa), I see no hate. AFAIK, nothing in it is saying being gay is bad or wrong.
It does spread hate by erasing a queer character from a game. It spreads hate by shielding the exact people who should be exposed to queer people and learn to be empathetic towards their struggles from it.
I think that's a stretch in this case. The stated goal is to make the game match medieval social norms, and the game is a medieval themed fantasy game. An openly lesbian core character breaks that immersion.
Now, if they removed homosexuality entirely from the game, I could see your point. AFAIK, the player can still have homosexual relationships and RP in any way they want, only one core character switches from a woman to a man.
I wouldn't install it, nor would I recommend it to anyone, but I honestly don't see any hate here.