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"We recognize that, in the next four years, our decision may cause us to have an even more difficult time. But we believe that this will give us a chance to recalibrate, and the Democrats will have to consider whether they want our votes or not."

That's gotta be one of the strangest reasonings I've heard in a while.

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[–] banneryear1868@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I dunno if people know Biden's past as a darling of the Israel lobby. Obama used to attend pro-Palestinian events and knows very well what's going on, part of why he picked Biden was because he was disliked by the Israel lobby, and that was his way of courting them. Of course at the helm he had to go back on his views. That's kind of the point here too, what's in the best interest of US foreign policy is largely determined by the military industrial complex, voters don't have a say in this really. Neither does the President in a lot of respects either, because furthering the country's foreign policy is more about what America is to the world than what the parties are to Americans.

Given Biden's poor polling in basically every swing state against Trump the party should really be picking a better candidate if they want a guaranteed victory in the election. I'd be doing the same as these Muslim groups if I was in the US because I'd want the Democrats to win, I don't see a way forward for this right now without the party stepping up with some major changes. What I see instead are Democrat voters shaming potential Democrat voters in to voting instead of demanding the party do better, and yes it's true if those people voted we wouldn't get Trump again, but saying as much is more about validating your position than actually doing the work to get that victory. I feel like at this point Democrat voters are just going to shame people for caring about genocide and there's no way that's going to get them votes, probably more the opposite.

[–] SCB@lemmy.world 0 points 11 months ago (2 children)

What I see instead are Democrat voters shaming potential Democrat voters in to voting instead of demanding the party do better

I mean the reality here is just that you and I want different things. I don't want the Democrat party to "do better" in any some ways you want, and you don't want them to "do better" in some ways I want. That's just what being in a coalition is, and Dems are a very broad coalition

[–] banneryear1868@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

To be clear by "do better" I mean appeal to most voters, which means transferring politics that have broad support in to policies. Right now they provide policy and basically invent the politics to underlie it.

Also let's be clear what's being asked of Muslim voters right now, "support the fascist genocide against your people vicariously by supporting the Democrats, because the alternative will be worse." That's a BIG ask, that's why it's never addressed directly and diverted with "this is the best you can get." To then shame those voters and blame them for worsening the situation... you're telling them this system requires them to die one way or another. I don't blame them one bit for taking this position.

[–] floppade@lemm.ee 2 points 11 months ago

Thank you. You said this much more nicely than I could.

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago

I don’t want the Democrat party to “do better” in any some ways you want, and you don’t want them to “do better” in some ways I want.

When was the last time the party did better in ways you didn't want?