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Ukraine’s security service blew up a railway connection linking Russia to China, in a clandestine strike carried out deep into enemy territory, with pro-Kremlin media reporting that investigators have opened a criminal case into a “terrorist attack.”

The SBU set off several explosions inside the Severomuysky tunnel of the Baikal-Amur highway in Buryatia, located some 6,000 kilometers east of Ukraine, a senior Ukrainian official with direct knowledge of the operation told POLITICO.

“This is the only serious railway connection between the Russian Federation and China. And currently, this route, which Russia uses, including for military supplies, is paralyzed,” the official said.

Four explosive devices went off while a cargo train was moving inside the tunnel. “Now the (Russian) Federal Security Service is working on the spot, the railway workers are unsuccessfully trying to minimize the consequences of the SBU special operation,” the Ukrainian official added.

Ukraine’s security service has not publicly confirmed the attack. Russia has also so far not confirmed the sabotage.

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[–] totallynotaspy@kbin.social 360 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (3 children)

OP missed the fun bit after the tunnel bombing:

The first cargo train exploded directly in the Severomuysky tunnel.

To continue transportation, the Russians began to use the detour route through the so-called Devil’s Bridge — a 35-meter high viaduct structure, which is part of the Trans-Siberian Railway. At that point, SBU saboteurs struck again.

“When the train was passing over this 35-meter high bridge, the explosive devices embedded in it went off,” the same official added.

[–] ours@lemmy.world 159 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Damn impressive.

Sounds straight out of a WWII action/spy/war movie.

[–] elbarto777@lemmy.world 16 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I'm sure plenty of similar things happened in every war ever.

[–] quindraco@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago (1 children)

What, even the ones predating locomotives?

[–] elbarto777@lemmy.world 5 points 9 months ago

Ha sorry, I didn't mean to imply scenarios involving locomotives. I referred more to the ingenuity of warriors to carry through clever attacks.

[–] Siegfried@lemmy.world 125 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Thanks for the details

Just to add, according to Denys Davidov's report on ukraine, the first train was carrying jet fuel, which added to the whole explosion.

[–] someguy3@lemmy.ca 100 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (4 children)

Jet fuel can't blow up steel beams! Wake up sheeple!

[–] CosmicCleric@lemmy.world 19 points 9 months ago (7 children)

Jet fuel can’t blow up steel beams! Wake up sheeple!

Wasn't that the reason though that the Twin Towers in NY fell, because the jet fuel melted the steel beams infrastructure?

I had read/seen that the buildings were actually designed to handle a plane crashing into them, but the architects didn't expect the metal beams to melt from the high-temperature burning jet fuel.

[–] IphtashuFitz@lemmy.world 28 points 9 months ago (2 children)

My understanding is that the beams were sprayed with a fire retardant foam that is designed to protect it in the event of a typical building fire. But the violent impact of the jets would have stripped most of it off, and the jet fuel did indeed weaken the beams. They wouldn’t have melted outright, but softening them after already being damaged by the impact was more than it could handle.

[–] CosmicCleric@lemmy.world 8 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)

That's my understanding as well.

And that the fire retardant foam was designed to be hit by an airplane and stay on, but it was just designed in those days for a smaller 737 impact, and not for a heavybody plane, so it got knocked off, exposing the beams.

Edit: Lol, ok, meant beams, not beans.

[–] someguy3@lemmy.ca 13 points 9 months ago (2 children)

exposing the beans.

Lemmy moment.

[–] Socsa@sh.itjust.works 3 points 9 months ago

This lemming eatin beans!

[–] Lophostemon@aussie.zone 2 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Dammit put a NSFW warning on that post!!!!

There could be children in here!!!

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

You guys are all government sheeple! Everyone knows the Twin Towers never existed and 9/11 was a hologram!

[–] AA5B@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago

I stil remember going to a wedding reception on the top floor - it all seemed so real

[–] Faresh@lemmy.ml 1 points 9 months ago

A yes, a fire removedant.

[–] shottymcb@lemm.ee 14 points 9 months ago (1 children)

It didn't need to melt, raising the temperature of steel decreases it's strength.

[–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 5 points 9 months ago (1 children)

it’s strength

It is, is it?

[–] Auduras@lemmy.world 5 points 9 months ago (1 children)

It is strength that decreased

[–] Redjard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 9 months ago

it's its strenth that decreased

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 13 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Yeah it's a really dumb meme because obviously it can. The ancient Romans worked steel, so obviously it doesn't have a particularly high melting temperature.

[–] EatATaco@lemm.ee 25 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Jet fuel can't melt steel beams. It doesn't burn nearly hot enough.

However, for a structure to fail you don't need to melt the beams, and getting them hot enough will also damage their structural integrity; they'll fail long before they reach the melting point.

And this is what happened on 9/11.

[–] mxcory@lemmy.blahaj.zone 14 points 9 months ago

Even wood alone is capable of getting steel red hot under the right condition. Given my experience was with metal floor grating in a burn barrel. The steel became easily malleable with just a metal rod.

[–] StorminNorman@lemmy.world 13 points 9 months ago (11 children)

It's a conspiracy theory, and not a particularly intelligent one. Us normies like to make jokes like this mocking people who believe it, but they do actually believe it and will come up with some batshit insane logic to support their theories.

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[–] doctorcrimson@lemmy.today 8 points 9 months ago (1 children)

At the temperature Jet Fuel burns at, Steel becomes as flexible as cooked noodles, but technically they have not "melted."

[–] UFODivebomb@programming.dev 6 points 9 months ago

Also: worked metal heats up. So an entire building collapsing on hot beams can get them even hotter.

https://youtu.be/tXF60MOWUeY?si=V-j7IlmmMB3LOK9l

[–] Cinner@lemmy.world 5 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

https://youtu.be/FzF1KySHmUA

The conspiracy goes SO much deeper..... it's rumored that even physics is involved.

[–] MataVatnik@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Melted beams or not, the WTCs design is what made it collapse like a peeling banana. The floors were essentially cantilevered out and held in place with a load bearing facade (for an open floor concept) There wasn't much holding the floors onto the facade, once the weight of the floors began to sag down it essentially started to lever and pull the beams of the central core apart from all sides like a banana peel.

I don't think those buildings were built to withstand an airplane, at least not the one they were hit by. In hindsight that open floor concept may actually have been a stupid idea, at least the way it was executed.

[–] CosmicCleric@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago

I don’t think those buildings were built to withstand an airplane, at least not the one they were hit by.

From what I saw on a show that covered that a long time ago, they were, but not for the larger planes that we have today, but the ones that flew back in the 70's.

[–] AtariDump@lemmy.world 18 points 9 months ago (1 children)
[–] Gestrid@lemmy.ca 2 points 9 months ago

I love how they drew the Sheeple in a completely different artstyle for emphasis.

[–] juliorapido@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 9 months ago

COLD FIRE! I’M FREEZING!!! ( said the steel beams)

[–] Siegfried@lemmy.world 5 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Russia is shooting its own foot since the start of the war... an inside job sounds plausible at this point (kidding)

[–] Restaldt@lemm.ee 12 points 9 months ago

Of course Russia is shooting itsself. I bet if it could throw itsself out a window it would.

How dare Russia make Russia look so weak

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 5 points 9 months ago

If it had been an inside job the explosives wouldn't have gone off.

[–] MotoAsh@lemmy.world 28 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)

So they got two of three and not one of three? How is every article writer flubbing the headlines?!

[–] M0oP0o@mander.xyz 15 points 9 months ago

The magic of AI and staff cuts.

[–] doctorcrimson@lemmy.today 3 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I'm also uncomfortable with giving the SBU credit for an event that negatively impacts not only Russia but also China, which is not currently at war with Ukraine. SBU haven't taken credit for this, a Ukrainian Official is making those claims.

[–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

If the infrastructure, and trains were russian its fair game.

[–] doctorcrimson@lemmy.today 3 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (3 children)

Yes I'm absolutely happy this is happening, fuck both of those nations, Ukraine Sovereignity will be respected and both Putin and Xi will learn a harsh lesson, but if the SBU doesn't take credit then it's better that the SBU haven't officially done this.

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