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No they aren't
I mean conservatism directly spawned from liberalism and is correctly seen as a subgroup of classical liberalism but okay
That is shockingly ignorant or deliberately misleading.
Can you elaborate as to which one you're going for?
Since I can’t be bothered I had Chatgpt generate a response
Understanding conservatism as a subset of liberalism requires a nuanced view of the historical and philosophical development of these ideologies. Initially, these terms might seem contradictory, but under a broader definition of liberalism, conservatism can be considered a variant or an offshoot.
Liberalism, in its broadest historical sense, refers to a range of ideas centered around the importance of individual liberty, the rule of law, and, often, limited government. This broad category emerged during the Enlightenment and was instrumental in shaping the modern Western political and social order. Classical liberalism, in particular, emphasizes individual freedom, economic freedom, and minimal state intervention.
Conservatism, while often positioned in opposition to liberalism (especially in its progressive or social liberal forms), can be seen as a subset of liberalism in the context of this broader historical perspective. This view holds when considering that conservatism in Western political thought often shares with liberalism a commitment to certain fundamental principles such as the rule of law, individual rights (although conservatism places a stronger emphasis on communal values and traditions), and, frequently, the free market.
However, conservatism diverges from liberalism in its emphasis on tradition, authority, and often a skepticism of rapid social change. Conservative liberalism, or liberal conservatism, is a term used to describe ideologies that blend liberal values (like economic freedom) with conservative stances (such as an emphasis on traditional social structures).
In summary, while conservatism and liberalism are distinct in their traditional definitions and core philosophies, conservatism can be viewed as a subset of liberalism in the context of a broader, historical understanding of liberalism. This perspective sees both ideologies sharing some fundamental values but differing significantly in their approach to tradition, social change, and the balance between individual rights and communal responsibilities.
If you don't even understand your own arguments, try not making them.
That AI explanation is even more narrow than the other incorrect narratives you've tried to put forth.
It's basically saying that if you look at blue as a color and acknowledge that red is a color, then blue is technically a subset of red.
Which it is not
I could explain. I just don’t see you as being worth the bother. Your uninformed followup that features exactly no useful rejoinders or any conception of political philosophy confirms I made the correct decision to treat you like a stooge.
I have engaged in no narratives, simply a correct understanding of the history and philosophy of the liberal movement.
I highly doubt you know enough about liberalism to even say what the philosophy cares about at its core.
I wish it surprised me that liberals don’t even know what liberalism is, but I’ve been involved in political debates for far too long.
More vague accusations with no evidence or theses behind them.
You are single-mindedly focused on exposing your own ignorance.
By all means, take another swing.
oh dear god
try not to hurt yourself thinking
literally none of this is controversial to anyone with any sort of understanding of political philosophy. but go off
As long as you can't put forth a coherent thesis or even a clear opinion, you aren't going to gain any ground.
Your rejoinder to the coherent thesis was "nuh uh" and "robot bad" so i think I'm just gonna point and laugh now, you dumb fuck.
Sounds about your speed: vague, easily diaprovsble claims, make up arguments for others because you can't defend your own incorrect opinions or counter theirs, and then retreat.
Okay then disprove them?
Jesus the amount of projection going on could power a small continent if properly captured.
Which one?
Self-hating bot? That's a new one. Lmao I just saw that you referenced the Whigs as liberals. You literally proved my point before this even started. Google Edmund Burke you absolute shit-stain.
Blocked.
"A new one" that you made up instead of accurately addressing my points.
And then you pretended I wrote something I didn't.
Scurry away.