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[–] affiliate@lemmy.world 44 points 11 months ago (3 children)

i think you’re responding to a normative statement by making a descriptive statement.

for those unaware, here’s a quick explanation from wikipedia: a normative statement is “meant to talk about the world as it should be”, while a descriptive statement is “meant to describe the world as it is”.

[–] magikmw@lemm.ee 17 points 11 months ago

If we could read we would be very upset.

[–] HerbalGamer@sh.itjust.works 12 points 11 months ago (2 children)
[–] affiliate@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago

i wasn’t trying to talk about grammar at all, i was only trying to focus only on the meaning of what was said. but i probably could’ve made my point more clearly, so ill try to do that now.

here’s an “example”: one person says “things should be done this way” and the other person says “well things aren’t being done that way”. these two statements aren’t in opposition to each other. in fact, it’s perfectly possible both people agree with each other. maybe things aren’t being done a certain way, and they should be done differently.

the terms “normative” and “descriptive” might seem overly complicated to someone who hasn’t seen them before (they did the first time i saw them), but i thought i’d use them because they’re useful concepts to keep in mind. they’ve helped me communicate and resolve conflicts in my own life. i’ve been both people in the example above, and it’s helpful to be able to know when it’s happening.

[–] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 2 points 11 months ago

The most based discourse nazi, singlehandedly preventing what could become a 30 comment deep argument where both sides fully misunderstand the other

[–] GBU_28@lemm.ee 4 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Lemmy cannot read one word of your comment

[–] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Edit I'm fuckin stupid, leaving this comment up as a monument to my illiteracy

Making a comment like this about basic conversation and debate concepts is like driving and saying you can't read the speed limit signs. Like, maybe you should avoid actively participating altogether until you're actually able to

[–] GBU_28@lemm.ee 2 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Huh? My point was many Lemmy users very commonly reply to someone's descriptive comment with a normative complaint, and freak out when it's clarified.

[–] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 2 points 11 months ago

Wow I misread Lemmy as literally, I fuckered that one up bad lmao