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[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 65 points 10 months ago (2 children)

I've never heard of a SovCit that isn't a fucking moron unless they're a grifter. Anyone with a lick of sense would be able to figure out their beliefs are all silly.

[–] Zombiepirate@lemmy.world 21 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

Well I don't see a flag with gold fringe anywhere, so your words have no power here.

[–] Froyn@kbin.social 6 points 10 months ago

"Do you have a flag?" --Eddie Izzard

[–] JustZ@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago

Haha, I forgot about that one. They do say that.

[–] JustZ@lemmy.world 19 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

The whole thing started as a mail order scam targeting poor black communities, especially obviously people charged with crimes, who are desperate enough to believe this stuff will work. They think they are buying legal magic words that will make courts do whatever they want.

There's a seminal case from Canada that lays out their history and categorizes their arguments, it's worth the read just for the great research and writing, but it provides a playbook for judges and lawyers to properly dispose of these cases. They used to be a nightmare when they first came around because they would grind things to a halt. Now courts know how to handle it and they are some of the easier cases to dispose.

Here's the case: only 200 pages, ha! https://www.canlii.org/en/ab/abqb/doc/2012/2012abqb571/2012abqb571.html

Calls them OCPA litigants: Organized Pseudolegal Commercial Argument.