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Former President Barack Obama said a way forward for the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is only possible if people acknowledge the “complexity” of the situation.

“If there’s any chance of us being able to act constructively to do something, it will require an admission of complexity and maintaining what on the surface may seem contradictory ideas that what Hamas did was horrific, and there’s no justification for it. And … that the occupation and what’s happening to Palestinians is unbearable,” Obama said in an interview on the podcast “Pod Save America.”

The former president’s comments come as the Israeli military focuses its offensive against Hamas in Gaza City and northern parts of the enclave.

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[–] nutsack@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

how about an agnostic democracy that israelis and palestinians can both live in? like a european country or something...

[–] P1r4nha@feddit.de 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah, but the whole point of Israel, is that it's a home for Jewish people. That this apparently means an ethno apartheid state, is revolting. I have yet to hear a zionist to provide a good solution.

On that front Obama is correct: how are you going to create a Jewish state surrounded by Muslim states that oppose your existence fundamentally?

But at this point you can argue that living as a Palestinian in Israel and the occupied territories is worse than living in many (but clearly not all) Muslim countries as a non-Muslim.

So religious states, democracies or not, do exist and kinda can make it work in some cases, even if I would prefer a secular democracy for myself any day.

[–] nutsack@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago (2 children)

why the fuck do we need a jewish state? do we have a christian state? a buddhist state? not really. religious states are an outdated way to do government.

[–] jungle@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Breaking my own rule here, but whatever.

There's no need for a Jewish state per se. There's a need for a state for Jews, so they can live without fear of being persecuted, like they have been for hundreds of years.

Same reason there's a need for a Palestinian state.

[–] nutsack@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

so a european style democracy with a constitution that has "congress shall make no law" types of sentences in it

[–] Cringe2793@lemmy.world -2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

And yet, Muslim states exist.

[–] Annoyed_Crabby@monyet.cc 16 points 1 year ago

As someone living in muslim state: no, religious state shouldn't exists.

[–] nutsack@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

they shouldn't. it's an ultra conservative old way of doing government.

[–] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world -2 points 1 year ago

It’s still a good idea.