Yes but the problem is despite all their blustering online, people only actually engage at the endgame stage of politics. All these "ideologically pure" leftists are doing jackshit to either ensure progressive leftist ideals win out over liberal ideals in the currently viable sorta left-presenting party or to support independent leftist political parties and groups in down-ballot, local elections, and community policy projects. No, instead these oh-so-great morally-superior "real leftists" instead want to bitch and moan about futility and then opt-out on big voting day while spouting virtues as if their behavior doesn't prevent real progressive change for the better, incremental though it may be.

And to very clear, I'm not taking the "fall in line or get out of the way" democrat bullshit stance here. If you really believe in the policy and values of a third party, please vote for them. I will never accuse an involved voter of throwing a vote away. I'm specifically talking about the large chunk of the left who are only left in theory, not practice, the ideological cosplayers who pretend anything less than absolute is not worth fighting for but who don't put in any effort to ensure that what they want even ever has a chance of ending up on the ballot in front of them.

It's easy to stand on virtue and say you won't support the lesser of two evils, but unless you're actively working on an alternative, the simple fact is that your abstained position enables the worst-case scenario which will have real-world impact. If we believe in leftist ideals, we should believe in reasonable harm reduction where possible. Same applies here.

better yet, don't quote vaush

Wrong.

If your choice is two Hitlers, you kill both the fuckers. Full stop.

There is always another option, you don't have to accept shit.

No number of rights make a wrong and no number of wrongs make a right. That's not to suggest that there aren't generations of all of us that have made the best of what they could do. You have to hold to the ideal. It's incredibly popular to shit on everything because it's the internet.

The words worth fighting and dying for: "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness."

gunna have to agree, having to eat shit may suck, but at least i'll live to tell the tale

Yeah this is pretty much where I am. I think Democrats could be better of course, but I don't mind how much anyone shits on them so long as they still vote against Republicans.

If we want things to get better, things have to, well, get better. We have to clean up a filthy house before we can live in a clean one. And we'll want to clean up the worst of the filth first, which means living with the lesser filth for a while.

Bunch of career politician parasites the lot of them.

Their only interest is in getting re-elected. If it can't be fixed in four years, it won't get done because it's the next guy's problem.

I have investigated my views and come to the conclusion I'm always right.

Both of those

This is a pro shit sentiment.

Democrats/Liberals who still have detention camps

Who wrote this talking point? The Heritage Foundation, or The GRU?

This, they've basically been running on "not trump", sorry that's not good enough for me.

Thank you.

People who are calm and centered tend not to post.

Or, when they do, are too unengaging for the average person to care to read. People want easily digestible and relatable turmoil, controversy, etc.