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[–] MJBrune@beehaw.org -1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

They don’t think they’re doing good. They just say they are. The cruelty is the point, and their cruelty is rooted in and exacerbated by hierarchies like race and religion.

Many people think they are doing good when they are not. Assuming a whole group's intention like that is awfully easy. Makes it simple to push them away and outcast them as bad actors. Lots of them are hateful, bad actors. Doesn't that just mean they need therapy though? I don't believe any human is beyond repair. Everyone can be better.

Humans grouped together because it was fucking hard to migrate. “Racism is natural human behavior” is some white nationalist shit

I'm not saying it's okay behavior but every creature is naturally afraid of differences. Many human rights systems will be quick to point this out. https://humanrights.gov.au/our-work/education/why-are-people-racist is a great example. This doesn't stop at just racism. People who are different have been cast aside by society throughout history. It's a known and disturbing fact. Communal animals are even known to do this. https://www.imdb.com/title/tt6168562/ They did a whole documentary on it. It is okay to acknowledge this and understand it's a natural bias. Everyone has a natural bias toward their own race, sex, etc when it comes to respect. It's about understanding that, realizing that's wrong, and how systemic racism exists today.

Certainly [not anything]* one would consider government or a state.

I don't understand this point. A small tribal government is a governmental state. Could you explain why you wouldn't consider a structured agreement on how to govern a group of people isn't a government?

Some of the examples were from thousands of years ago, many still exist and thrive.

I'm having a hard time seeing this. I've been reading it from https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/peter-gelderloos-anarchy-works I've yet to find one example which actively exists.

Lastly, anarchy doesn't take into account so many things. It just washes over huge problems like racism, helping the less fortunate, retired folk, etc. Even in the "What is anarchism" section it just spouts a bunch of propaganda without actual answers to enacting these things. When you start to enact these things you'll see you need some sort of government body and some sort of decision making. It especially throws out world-scale politics, which are extremely useful for when say a large oppressive government needs to be fought against. Any hypothetical question of like "What happens when there is a large-scale disease and people need to stay indoors for the health of the community but others don't believe it's a real disease?" How do you enforce people not being assholes and coughing or spitting in people's faces? How do you deal with the bad actors? In the anarchy works section about gangs and bullies it states "However, no bully is stronger than an entire community." but I pose, what if it is? What if the bully is larger than any one community? What if those groups of bad actors are larger than the group of good actors? In anarchy, the solution seems to be "Well the good is actually the bully now. you are in the bully community and you need to move."

[–] LinkOpensChest_wav@midwest.social 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I don't engage with people who believe racism is natural behavior. I've zero respect for you. Shoo, fly!

[–] MJBrune@beehaw.org 0 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

there are natural biases towards your own cultures. It's known in sociology. Denying its existence is to propagate systemic racism. If you don't acknowledge it, you can't correct it. Also, I love that I show you proven facts, cited, and backed by groups working to remove racism from our society and you go "Nah, that whole idea is white supremacists!" No facts, no logic, nothing but closed-minded thinking. It's people like you who are going to keep racism going despite many people trying to destroy it. You think you are doing good but you are actually being evil. Exactly the thing you said you never saw an example for. Look in the mirror. Then read about CRT and systemic racism.