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For 1400 bucks you can get a really nice Framework Laptop. And when it breaks, you don't have to spend 1400 on a new one or 2000 on a overpriced repair that can only be performed by the manufacturer, you can actually repair everything yourself!
Or you can get like 2 good thinkpads
Or 1000+ bananas
Modern ThinkPads are hard to repair and can't really be upgraded and older ones don't have good performance or battery life.
If the last good Thinkpads were made by IBM, you can get a lot more than 2 for $1400.
Sure, but the performance and battery life will be terrible. I don't think that buying old laptops solves the problems we have with most new ones. Buying something like a Framework Laptop instead of some Dell or Apple garbage actively supports a pro-right-to-repair company and you also get a really nice laptop with good performance, battery life, upgradability, reparability and customizability.
Bought an old second hand p50 recently, and it still far outperforms most modern laptops by a mile, battery lasts 4 or 5 hours on integrated graphics (probably quite a bit less on discrete but haven't really tested that yet)
Plus I can buy a second battery and just swap them out when one runs out
What modern laptops does the P50 outperform? It has a 6th Generation Intel CPU...
My old Lenovo yoga cost more than the p50 and couldn't hold a candle
Came with 32gb memory, 4k display, discrete gpu and an nvme which all help considerably, the CPU generally sits around 1-8% during normal usage (on Linux that is)
Can quite happily code on this thing, my previous laptop could barely run an ide
Obviously there are more powerful laptops but considering I got it for ~£500 and even second hand modern laptops go for ~1000 with less memory and no GPU I think it competes very nicely
The Lenovo Yoga line is essentially the PC version of 2017-2020 MacBooks, thin, light, loud and hot with terrible performance. Even my toaster would outperform one of those. These are "Ultrabooks", not real laptops. It's a shame that they are calling some of these pieces of shit ThinkPads, but most other modern ThinkPads also suck. Quite sad how the ThinkPad brand has been ruined by Lenovo. Nowadays, I'd even take an ARM MacBook over a ThinkPad. The P50 was probably one of the last good ones, but it's kinda outdated now. I've been really happy with my 13" Framework with the Ryzen 7 7840U, 32GB of RAM and a nice NVMe SSD running Gentoo. And I know that I can repair or upgrade almost everything on this laptop.
Light ThinkPads are not cheap either
Todays ThinPads are not superior. Some things are:
or a Starbook
which has coreboot, repair guides, and a very generous warranty
Ugh, can you order it without a fingerprint reader built into the trackpad?
These are cool. I love the concept.
I recommended my father get one after his current laptop's speakers blew out. He didn't want to wait for Q4, so we went with my 2nd recommendation, a ThinkPad.
The first two were defective (the whole model line is - overheating to scalding temps, not going to sleep when the lid is closed, not sleeping/infinite loop when manually told to sleep or by the OS idle time), the third (different model) arrived without a fucking w11pro product key. Are you actually fucking shitting me. Their solution for that was either a new machine (custom machine, almost 4 weeks lead time) or a new mobo. I figured they would put the key in the board, and we didn't want another 4 week wait, so I went with the board swap. Guess who didn't enter a key into the bios? The tech didn't have one, was just told to swap boards.
We are expecting a framework in Q1 now.