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This can be the way things are taught, who are the teachers, what a school day would look like, where classes are taught, what things what look like, etc.

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[–] keepthepace 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Also I can’t help but notice you ignored one of my core arguments: that solarpunk societies are about strong human connections and replacing one of the main sources of these connections is a bad idea.

I'll address that one first then

I have had people tell me that we should not automate cashiers because it removes human connections. I believe that humans want human connections and that if you remove the obligation to get something out of these connections, they will become richer and more meaningful. I sometime feel I am tricking my kid to trigger their interest in "useful" things. I'd rather play with him than force his to rewrite the same word with good pretty round letters a hundred times.

When you remove painful obligations from a human connection, you may sever some that you were forcing yourself into, but you also give room to much more of them. If teaching was accounted for, I would spend more time showing my kid what I really love in life, places that make me feel at peace, events that make me feel alive, techniques that I find interesting despite their practical uselessness.

Human are social animals. We make social connections and may even die for it. Don't worry, removing an obligation will not remove the need for more meaningful ones.

Now for the rest:

Why do you assume that a society that manages to mitigate biases that are extremely central to our current problems in social relations would have a hard time mitigating bias in AIs training dataset?

Discussion requires understanding of others to a degree I don’t think AI can achieve.

Look at what AI mentors do today, right now. Ask them follow up questions, ask them what you don't understand. Several conversations with GPT-4 (which is the best right now but trailed by more open models) convinced me otherwise. Even if you may argue that such models currently are not as good as a human tutor, I find it hard to argue that it does not beat the "conversation" of a class of 30 with a lone teacher.

I also think that the process of finding information is as important as the actual information. If all of your questions are answered just by typing it into the computer then you never learn the importance of checking information accuracy, accounting for bias and other very useful skills.

True in all day and age and on every media. Had to teach it to several kids in my family as school seems to do a pretty poor job at it. Interestingly enough, something that LLMs can teach well as well despite being (currently) pretty poor at it.

[–] Val@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Okay, I agree. LLMs might be useful for education. But they should not replace practical experience.

I just am skeptical to everyone that says we should replace something with AI, because most of the time these decisions seem to be motivated by profit and aren't actually better.

[–] keepthepace 1 points 1 year ago

I think 99% of the companies that hope to replace something with AI for profit are going to fail, as these models become lighter and lighter and have open source equivalents and a VERY motivated community behind them to prevent corporate lock-in.