I just love how utterly obtuse the TERFs sound when they say "Trans women are not a subset of women, and cis is just a slur, women are women and trans women are not" or similar, like honestly, the terms are all very simple, tall women are a subset of women, brown women are a subset of women, infertile women are a subset of women, and they are all women. They are just bigots who don't want trans women to be part of that group, they want to exclude them. It is just hatred and bigotry, the symantics are just a cover.

[–] t3rmit3@beehaw.org 20 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

brown women are a subset of women, infertile women are a subset of women, and they are all women. You'll probably find that a significant percentage of TERFs would disagree on those 2 points in private...

[–] rowinofwin@beehaw.org 5 points 1 year ago

Lol, absolutely! Bigots gonna bigot, best we can do is not fall for it and be kind to each other.

[–] scamper@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago

TERFs brazenly use their own slurs, TIF (trans-identified female, aka a trans man) and TIM (trans-identified male, aka a trans woman). They don't care at all about respecting each person's chosen terms, they only care about ideology and enforcing their viewpoint.

I'm very frustrated by the apologists saying, "well, cis people don't necessarily identify with that term and we should respect that". It's not so simple, what term would they like us to use instead? They never offer one. They want the absence of any term, because they want to enforce an ideology where only they are normal. So they can make up any mean words against trans people that they want, but we can't even factually describe them with a neutral term?