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LANDBACK Organizing Principles

  1. Don’t burn bridges: even when there is conflict between groups or organizers remember that we are fighting for all of our peoples and we will continue to be in community even after this battle
  2. Don’t defend our ways
  3. Organize to win
  4. Move from abundance – We come from a space of scarcity. We must work from a place of abundance
  5. We bring our people with us
  6. Deep relationships by attraction, not promotion
  7. Divest/invest
  8. We value our warriors
  9. Room for grace—be able to be human
  10. We cannot let our oppressors inhumanity take away from ours
  11. Strategy includes guidance
  12. Realness: Sometimes the truth hurts
  13. Unapologetic but keep it classy

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The Human Cost of the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict (slrpnk.net)
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[–] perestroika 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

All true, or likely to be so (I'm not up-to-date on some matters).

I thought something would change in the early nineties, but then an Israeli extremist shot their own prime minister Rabin, sabotaging the peace negotiations. Subsequently, Fatah spent all of its political capital without achieving tangible results. Israel didn't give things back, at least not considerably. Life did get better, but only marginally. Hamas rose in popularity.

I haven't paid attention to which factions helped prop up Trump, but I've followed Netanyahu's corruption story for a long while, and I'm dismayed to see that he's still prime minister (they managed to oust him for a while, but he climbed back into office). The comparison between the two is adequate.

So, one one side, we've got Hamas calling shots - a bunch of people's whose high ideal is probably the Islamic Republic of Iran. Their competitor is Fatah - only a bit more moderate, but perfectly capable of fighting a civil war with Hamas, they are such friendly competitors.

On the other side, there's Neanyahu, who whole-heartedly welcomes a war when offered one - since his corruption trial then doesn't get the spotlight. War would likely decrease mass protest in Israel too (they've had mass protest since spring due to constitutional issues - that's one thing which is possible in Israel but not in Palestine, they still have democracy but it's not great)... and historically, even before there was a politician named Netanyahu, Israeli tactics have played into the hands of Palestinian extremists.

Both sides have surely been aware that the opposing negotiator must be able to bring tangible results to their people (a lack of attacks, a removal of blockade measures, a clear map of which settlements stay and which ones go) - this is needed for negotiation to gain legitimacy and become the preferred method.

If they stonewall each other, negotiation loses legitimacy and those who want to fight can see if it helps. Then they will find out it doesn't - at great cost. :(

P.S.

I hope that the West Bank of Jordan is still not involved, and doesn't get involved in fighting. Many people there are likely sympathetic to Hamas and opposed to Israel, but hopefully smart enough to stay out of it.