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[–] hiramfromthechi@lemmy.world 154 points 1 year ago (4 children)

It's easy to scoff at this whole "You will own nothing, and you will be happy" phrase, but it's really gone too far already.

[–] Gerbler@lemmy.ml 49 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I'm really tired of hearing "you don't own it you own a license to it" like it's some revelation for people complaining. We're aware that the system has been constructed to benefit media companies at the expense of consumers.

To be honest; I never really bought the argument anyway. From a legal standpoint I don't give half a shit. From a layman's standpoint it's bullshit. Nowhere do they use terms like "rent" or "lease". They explicitly use terms like "buy" and it's not until the fine print that the term license even comes up.

They know they're pissing on you and telling you it's raining and the goobers doing their legwork by repeating the sentence like they just came up with it annoy me to no end.

[–] backgroundcow@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

Nowhere do they use terms like "rent" or "lease". They explicitly use terms like "buy" and it's not until the fine print that the term license even comes up.

This! It really should be illegal to present something with the phrasing "buy" unless it is provided to you via a license that prevent it from being withdrawn. To "sell" cloud hosted media without having the licensing paperwork in place for it to be a sale is fraud.

[–] obelisk@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Yeah, I understand that hearing the same simple explanation of "you don't own it..." gets to be annoying. Especially in places like this where most people are pretty well aware of the situation.

The primary issue seems to be that enough people support this type of service willingly for the sake of convenience and are generally ignorant to the potential long-term issues. It feels pretty exploitative as a consumer.

But I don't see how making the distinction between ownership of the content vs the license is providing legwork for those services. In my mind, that distinction is key for understanding that the service is not for me. And I may just be looking at this too optimistically, but I would hope the same would be true for users who don't read the fine print, or happen to have not understood the issue until something like this post is presented.

[–] HKayn@dormi.zone 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If people are aware, why do they keep buying movies they won't own?

[–] uis@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

This sounds worse than communism. At least communism said "everyone will own everything".

[–] seaQueue@lemmy.world -5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

We've been screaming about it for 20+ years now and no one seems to be listening.

I'm hoping that someone will tie digital ownership rights to a block chain sooner or later and offer me movies, music, games and books that I can actually own resale rights to - but as publishers are already drinking from the rent-seeking model teat where every single license is a new sale I'm not terribly optimistic about that particular future.

[–] SkyezOpen@lemmy.world 41 points 1 year ago (1 children)

block chain

No. Never. Stop asking. Crypto is not a currency and blockchain is a solution in search of a problem.

[–] __dev@lemmy.world 36 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Adding blockchain into the mix changes nothing. Whether your digital ownership is stored in their centralized database or a distributed database, they still have control over everything because they're the ones streaming it to you. They can just as well block your access & block resale.

The only way to actually digitally own something is to have a full DRM-free copy of it (ianal though this still might not be enough to allow resale).

[–] Gsus4@feddit.nl 18 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Keep it in your hard drive and carry it with you, this was not a hard problem 20 years ago, but we're being conditioned to regression in expectations and functionality. Better than yet another blockchain overkill and works offline.

PS: just like the creeptobros say: "not in your disk, not your file." or something like that.