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Feels like something my wife and I signed up for ages ago and haven't seen a penny. Not that I find it at all surprising, but it feels like it got pretty close to actually happening...

If you aren't from the US, how was your higher education experience?

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[–] Otome-chan@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago (3 children)

this is what happens when you vote for biden. he pretends to support leftist policies to win your vote, and then immediately backstabs you and avoids doing what he promised. we're still waiting on $2k checks as well.

[–] exohuman@kbin.social 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Biden has been fighting for it. The Republicans have been hard against it and pushing back. It’s going to the courts now.

[–] Otome-chan@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

except he hasn't. at most he said something about 10k being cancelled, not student debt entirely. meaning many people will still have plenty of debt even if biden's thing passes.

[–] alyaza@beehaw.org 27 points 1 year ago (1 children)

meaning many people will still have plenty of debt even if biden’s thing passes.

this is literally a case of you preferring perfect over good actually being done, to the detriment of everyone. while i would also prefer total cancellation, for a majority of debt-holders, up to $20k in forgiveness would wipe out their student loan debt.

[–] alyaza@beehaw.org 11 points 1 year ago

to put it another way: a much more constructive way of considering this policy, in my view, is to frame it as "this is good... and we can make it better", not to downplay how substantial even this cutoff point is for a huge number of people. it's not Bad Actually because we're only ending student loan debt for like 50% of borrowers and not 100%!

[–] GandalfDG@beehaw.org 15 points 1 year ago (2 children)

If there were a progressive candidate in the general election I would've voted for them 🤷 Believe me I didn't vote for Biden with much hope for anything changing for the better in the country.

[–] hihusio@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

as if a progressive president would have been able to do more than biden. they'd be obstructed the same by republicans and scotus, if not more

[–] Otome-chan@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

green party exists. also you could've voted for someone other than biden in the primary.

[–] alyaza@beehaw.org 15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

if you're actually interested in making political change and you don't like Democrats, possibly the worst alternative avenue you can channel that through is the Greens. the Greens, and i cannot stress this enough, are not a serious left-wing alternative, and you cannot make them be one by protest voting. they aren't even on the same page as to what "left" means--there is a principled ecosocialist wing, but also a massive crank wing that pollutes the party--and most of their state parties are completely atrophied. your time is almost certainly better spent joining an actual socialist organization like Socialist Alternative or DSA, or just foregoing electoral action entirely. look up how to organize your workplace, or volunteer with Food Not Bombs if you're interested in the second half.

[–] Otome-chan@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago

I pretty much just vote for whoever pushes leftist policies and is on the ballot. 9 times out of 10 that's green party.

[–] MisterFeeny@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago

First of all, they specifically said general election. You're making an assumption that they voted Biden in the primary.
Second, a vote for the green party was basically a vote for Trump in the last 2 general elections.
Third, in reference to your comment slightly higher up on the thread, Biden did what he could to cancel 20k in student debt. The reason it hasn't happened is 100% due to republican lawsuits.
But you just go ahead and keep feeling betrayed.

[–] activepeople@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

somehow I don't see the GOP alternative performing any better on this issue.