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Biden worries ‘extreme’ supreme court can’t be relied on to uphold rule of law
(www.theguardian.com)
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Where are you getting this idea the president can do this? When you see an article on this type of thing at least check the wikipedia page. I understand how the misunderstanding comes about due to the talk around the new deal in history classes but roosevelt only pushed for congress to act. This is something you see a lot with presidential tenures. They will push congress to act but they themselves can only do so much. It is only in recent times executive orders have been used extensively but this is still limited to what congress did not define and the constitution does not define in law.
That sounds like a good step. Where are Biden's speeches on pushing Congress to pack the Court?
I really don't think he should. It was not a great move by roosevelt either. It was actually about judges retiring. I actually think no one should be holding an office of any kind after 60 myself. Just adding more though is not going to help. Better to impeach them.
And yet after it the votes changed and they allowed the New Deal. Courts become less extreme when their comfortable power is threatened.
What's your solution to a corrupt court throwing away precedent and making law from the bench? Just pat Mitch McConnel on the back and say "shucks, you got us Mitch, guess we'll just live the rest of our lives under conservative rule"? Because waiting for 67 Democratic senators or multiple conservative justices dying under Democratic rule isn't likely to happen.
Adding more justices may instigate a tit-for-tat, but it's no worse than just accepting that they get to make law for the rest of your life, and the credible threat of doing it (or the actual practice) is likely to lead to real functional reform.
I don't believe the courts "allowed" the new deal because of the court packing idea. The court by its nature can't change votes whatever you meant by that. I have no solution except impeachment and indictment which I would truly love to see. Taking bribes like that should never be acceptable.
You get that this is functionally no solution at all, right? Even in Obama's first term there were only 60 Democratic-caucusing senators and a few of those were unreliable DINOs. 67 is a fairy tale. It's only marginally more likely than just hoping they get raptured.
And if that's the case, which do you prefer:
See the thing is you talk like changing the size of the court is realistically gonna happen any more than impeachment. Its still requires majorities which are not there. So its like your arguing that we don't have the number for what I said but we should go for the thing where we still don't have the numbers but its closer. Its not horseshoes or handgrenades.
Adding justices takes 50 votes. Impeaching takes 67. That's a world of difference. It's not going to happen if everyone up and down the party continually prioritizes making excuses for what can't happen, but if Biden (and other Democrats) continue to make their case that the court has lost its legitimacy and is in need of reform (i.e., lead) there's nothing fantastic about getting there.
the world of difference does not matter if you don't have the 50 votes. Why is it less possible to get more republicans to vote on it especially when one, like impeachment, is more legitamate?
What makes you think this is supposed to be a vote that must occur this instant with this congress? Do you think the Democrats will never have 50 solid votes ever again? And thinking that 15-17 Republicans would ever impeach a sitting Republican justice to be replaced by a Democrat is just wildly out of touch with reality. They wouldn't impeach Trump after he had his followers storm the capital that they were actual in.