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[–] jj4211@lemmy.world 108 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Sadly, there often comes a time when a critical mass of the business leaders decide "you know what, I want to cash out and no matter how disastrous this will be long term, I think short term this will milk some revenue out of some captive audience".

In the IT industry, that time is usually when Broadcom buys you.

[–] Saik0Shinigami@lemmy.saik0.com 53 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

You've hurt me right in the vSphere.

What a lot of people at these companies don't understand is that other options existing means people will find a way to continue without you... The more that happens, the larger the community... the faster you fail.

When Broadcom announced buying VMWare, literally all the IT subreddits in unison looked for other alternatives. We're on Proxmox now, it's been a better product than VMWare in literally every way.

It's also called the trust thermocline. Once a certain level of exploitation is reached, customers leaving suddenly goes very quickly and usually unrecoverable. The straw that breaks the camel's back.

Or in the case of unity, you smash the poor camel with a baseball bat and are very surprised it tries to bite you.

[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

And this is why we shouldn’t have monopolies. People shouldn’t be held hostage by one or two companies. When they go full stupid like Unity is, the customers grumble, shrug, and get to work with a different system.

[–] MataVatnik@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Or not just monopolies, but companies in general have a dictatorship authoritarian structure where the c-suite has all the decision making power and employees or customers can go fuck themselves. Corporations should be made for the people by the people.

[–] Intralexical@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

Aligning power over systems with stackholders impacted by those systems is usually good for avoiding hostile incentives which result in hurting people, yes. Plus to some it might axiomatically be morally good.

[–] Acters@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm forced to use VMware for cisco classes.

[–] Saik0Shinigami@lemmy.saik0.com -2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Sounds a bit odd... What networking class requires VM platform usage?

[–] TrumpetX@programming.dev 11 points 1 year ago (2 children)

If I teach a class that needs a vm, I'm making damned sure everyone uses the same type.

[–] Acters@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

The vm has "tools" preloaded and helps students experiment with configurations that don't end up causing the host computer to be badly configured. The host PCs are pretty restrictive and have no admin privileges. The VM is fully capable of being "free to mess with" in a sense. The idea behind it is to prevent unauthorized bad actions on the host pc. Creating a separation of students' abilities behind a vm. You can use your own PC, but that is cumbersome and unnecessary. The "forced to" is a bit loose, but it helps students start from a state where the teacher can help guide the students to what to do.

[–] jj4211@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I remember at the time that a presentation circulated on a previous Broadcom acquisition, as a preview of what was in store for vmware. I never saw analagous material for vmware exactly, and I can't remember what Broadcom acquisition it was.

Their analysis was that they predicted their changes would kill off any new business, and kill off 80% of the existing customer base. However, this was fine as the other 20% was so stuck that they could charge more than 5x to make up for it, and all without spending any money on R&D and reducing customer support load.

[–] Saik0Shinigami@lemmy.saik0.com 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

While I know nothing of the numbers... This was my understanding of it as well. That they'd make probably just as much if not more money because of the captive groups.

However, while they might be captive now... Doesn't mean they'll be captive forever. VMWare is going to lose the entire market over this very rapidly, then the rest slowly after.

[–] jj4211@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Indeed. However all the key people making this call will have made a few million off the husk on the way down, and will have moved on to drain the next company.

[–] jeremy_sylvis@midwest.social 7 points 1 year ago

In the software side of IT, this is usually when you start seeing layoffs and a mass replacement of talented developers with bottom-of-the-barrel offshore contractors. Beware the following fail cascade.

[–] Mossheart@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 year ago

Kicked me right in the Reddit.

[–] pinkdrunkenelephants@sopuli.xyz 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

That's what everyone is saying but this policy will only cost them from lawsuits, so it can't just be about money.

[–] Saik0Shinigami@lemmy.saik0.com 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It will cost them in future earnings... Companies won't want to work on their platform if these policies are still in place... and many will never want to work with them again since they've shown their hand.

[–] pinkdrunkenelephants@sopuli.xyz 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That is what makes me think there's something more to this.

I think rival companies might groom CEOs that get hired by their competitors but whom, secretly, are paid by the rivals to destroy the companies from within.

Perhaps I'm wrong but that's the only explanation I've been able to come up with that makes any sense to me.

[–] jarfil@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The CEOs don't need to be paid by other companies. All a competing company needs to do, is to convince some company's board members to hire a CEO with a track record that they know will tank the company... maybe through indirect lobbying, maybe by hinting they want to hire them because it's "such a valuable CEO"... and bam!

CEO ruins company, then bails on a golden parachute, and you only had to spend whatever it took to mislead the competing board.

(I've seen it done to tiny companies with as few as 20 workers, it's surprisingly easy to convince a board to hire someone who will destroy everything)

[–] topinambour_rex@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What's the point to do this ?

[–] jarfil@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

To destroy the competition.

[–] pinkdrunkenelephants@sopuli.xyz 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

How does one insulate a company from corrupted CEOs?

[–] Ignisnex@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Technically that's what a board of directors is for. They are the ones who can axe a CEO and hire another.

[–] pinkdrunkenelephants@sopuli.xyz 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yet they're not capable of sussing out bad actors before hiring them, so how is a board a good system?

[–] Ignisnex@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's good on paper, so long as a critical number of them aren't bad actors. You kinda got the same problem with US politics at the moment. It works until it doesn't, like everything else.

It seems clearly nothing works.

[–] jj4211@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Oh, plenty of business "geniuses" make some pretty boneheaded moves, especially when they feel a need to try to produce huge growth after saturating a market, or if their business results somehow fall short of some need (either actually losing money, or some arbitrary self-imposed "goal" not being hit).

Currently there's an epidemic of businesses making some pretty dubious long term decisions for the sake of trying to prop up numbers amidst a receding market reality. Recessions are, in part, a self-fulfilling prophecy, where whatever impetus exists, it's exacerbated by every participant screwing things up further.