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What are your intentions behind doing this in your hypothetical scenario?
To find out where people are willing to draw the line. I've noticed that the people defending this proposed law are giving this question a wide berth.
I'm asking what your intentions are behind drawing on a whiteboard outside a mosque in the scenario not what your intentions were behind posing this hypothetical scenario. That part is obvious.
The intention isn’t relevant.
Sure it is. Intent is what separates murder from manslaughter for instance. Intent definitely matters here. Why are you having trouble elaborating on that aspect of your hypothetical scenario.
Fine, two scenarios: first, I’m doing it because I’m Islamophobic. Second, I’m doing it to test the limits of free speech. Can you tell the difference? No. That’s why it’s not relevant.
You don't see the difference between these two scenarios? It may benefit you to learn about nuance.
It may benefit you to pay attention to what I'm saying. Could you tell the difference?
What you're saying here doesn't make any sense. What you said previously made sense but lacked nuance or any deeper understanding of the situation you proposed yourself.
Perhaps you think blatant, ignorant bigotry and "testing freedom of speech" are the same thing, which explains your response, and shows you the reasoning behind mine.
Oh boy. No, I don't think they are the "same thing" I'm saying you can't infer motivation just by observing therefore the motivation isn't relevant. Try and keep up, or don't.
You're discussing the law and being arrested. Intent absolutely matters in this context which is why I brought up other examples of where intent matters as murder/manslaughter, hate crimes, assault versus self defense, etc. You seem quite confused about a topic that you brought up on your own...
You're not thinking clearly. Intent is irrelevant, it can't be known in this example. Got it?
Just in case, here it is again. Intent is irrelevant.
But you defined the intent in your previous comment and laws/courts take intent into account when determining whether they've been violated or not.
If it can't be known then your entire question/scenario is irrelevant and pointless because it could never apply to the real world. For someone who keeps talking about confusion and not following the conversation, you seem to lack even a basic understanding of what's being talked about.