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Elon Musk’s Shadow Rule (www.newyorker.com)
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[–] partial_accumen@lemmy.world -3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So your rationale for seizing a private company is that it is better than its competitors?

[–] EvilBit@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

No, it’s that as an effective monopoly, it has unreasonable power over the government.

[–] partial_accumen@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You're 17 years too late to use that argument in good faith. Not only is SpaceX not a monopoly (because there are many other companies you can buy launch services from in the USA) but because that wasn't the case in 2006 when Boeing and Lockheed (with USA government consent!) created a TRUE launch monopoly by merging to create ULA (United Launch Alliance).

[–] EvilBit@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I’m not strictly arguing for federalization, but you’re arguing through whataboutism. And SpaceX is an effective monopoly. Otherwise we’d use other launch services at least some significant amount.

[–] partial_accumen@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

I’m not strictly arguing for federalization,

You're replying to the thread where the OP wanted to nationalized SpaceX. I haven't heard you say different. What are you proposing instead?

but you’re arguing through whataboutism.

No, I'm citing precedent. Its extremely applicable because its the exact same industry, and even existed before SpaceX. .

And SpaceX is an effective monopoly. Otherwise we’d use other launch services at least some significant amount.

I don't think you follow spaceflight very much if you hold this statement. I'm assuming the "we" you're using here means US government launch.

Here's US government launches that ULA did in 2022 and 2023 so far: 7 launches

Delta IV Heavy | NROL-68 United Launch Alliance | USA Cape Canaveral, FL, USA June 22, 2023, 9:18 a.m.

Delta IV Heavy | NROL-91 United Launch Alliance | USA Vandenberg SFB, CA, USA Sept. 24, 2022, 10:25 p.m.

Atlas V 421 | SBIRS GEO-6 United Launch Alliance | USA Cape Canaveral, FL, USA Aug. 4, 2022, 10:29 a.m.

Atlas V 541 | USSF-12 United Launch Alliance | USA Cape Canaveral, FL, USA July 1, 2022, 11:15 p.m.

Atlas V N22 | CST-100 Starliner Orbital Flight Test 2 (OFT-2) United Launch Alliance | USA Cape Canaveral, FL, USA May 19, 2022, 6:54 p.m.

Atlas V 541 | GOES-T United Launch Alliance | USA Cape Canaveral, FL, USA March 1, 2022, 9:38 p.m.

Atlas V 511 | USSF-8 United Launch Alliance | USA Cape Canaveral, FL, USA Jan. 21, 2022, 7 p.m.

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How is SpaceX am "effective" monopoly?