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If we all cycled like the Dutch, CO2 emissions would drop by 690 million tonnes (www.euronews.com)

submitted 1 year ago by savjee@lemmy.world to c/news@beehaw.org

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[–] Umbrias@beehaw.org 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

"Willful extinction" is not a productive way to end climate change.

You won't convince people, so it's DOA, but it's also philosophically weak in the face of alternative views. Alternatives which also theoretically have humans in them and don't obliterate the environment exist, meaning you are on the back foot here to justify an anthropocentric philosophy.

"Why do you think people should exist?" Can be an interesting discussion, but as an argument it's not a great one.

[–] sin_free_for_00_days@lemmy.one 1 points 1 year ago

You won’t convince people, so it’s DOA

That pretty much sums up any approach by humans to do something about what's happening to the planet. Anything anyone throws out is realistically DOA.

[–] argv_minus_one@beehaw.org 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

You won’t convince people

I don't have to. Birth rates in the developed world are plummeting.

And unless I'm mistaken, you are the one trying to convince people right now.

[–] Umbrias@beehaw.org 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Birth rates are plummeting to maintain what will probably be around 13 billion. That's wildly distinct from willful extinction.

I... What? You made a post saying people should do x, I responded. Yeah we're both trying to convince people of a thing, I'm not sure I see how that is actually relevant.

[–] argv_minus_one@beehaw.org 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

“[S]omeone has to to continue the species” —~~you, not me~~ someone else

[–] Umbrias@beehaw.org 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I did not, in fact, say that.

[–] argv_minus_one@beehaw.org 1 points 1 year ago

I see. Apologies for the confusion.

[–] n_emoo@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 year ago

Birthrates are not plummeting to zero, if thats what youre implying. As people get more educated, they tend to have fewer kids. No one is considering having "fewer" kids because of the childs lifetime GHG emissions