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The comment called the authors “kooks.” I am disputing that characterization. As you say, this has nothing to do with the study.
Edit: 5 downvotes in 2 minutes… wow, is this breaking any rules that the person has so many accounts and manipulates votes?
I apologize if my comment was not clear. You’re correct, just posting a link is not sufficient. However, the lead author, Gordon Gallup Jr, created the mirror test (see https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/neuroscience/mirror-test#:~:text=A%20concept%20of%20self%20has,differentiate%20themselves%20from%20other%20individuals.)
His work is pretty vital in our understanding or primate cognition. See his recent paper for an update: https://psycnet.apa.org/record/2019-57425-001
A quick google search gives look as: “a crazy or eccentric person.” He probably is quite eccentric, but I’d say “crazy” is a bit much. Merrimack Webster uses “one whose ideas or actions are eccentric, fantastic, or insane.” Feel free to share why you specifically think his writing demonstrates insanity
Edit: 5 downvotes in 2 minutes again, to nobody’s surprise
so, after citing other works which have no bearing whatsoever on this one, you agree that he's kooky.
are you trolling for any particular reason or just because you're bored?
I’m sorry, as I’ve stated from the beginning, this work is most likely not accurate. However, I don’t think exploring odd theories makes someone a “kook,” no. He’s a scientist exploring and publishing a review of the research.
Again, your comment stated that the authors are kooks. I stated the lead author is quite respected and then provided evidence backing my comment. Again, if you have specific evidence or quotes as to why you think this man is crazy, I’m all ears.
ah, I've identified the problem-- either you're illiterate, or you think I'm stupid enough to be distracted by your obvious trolling to notice you're trying to put words in my mouth.
enough with the Sealioning
My apologies again. What does “academic kooks” mean to you?
moe Sealioning
I really do apologize that I came across that way. I want you to know that I’m not some shill. I was being genuine and I really tried to back that up. Ig it’s just another misunderstanding on social media. I hope you have a good day though
Edit: odd how I had no downvotes and then I come here 5 minutes after the reply comment and I have 5 downvotes and the reply has 5 upvotes…
Please stop discussing upvotes and downvotes. Your last three comments have included references and it's repetitive. If it bothers you, why not join an instance that doesn't use downvotes?
This person is stalking me across all my posts. Idk what to do other than bitch about it. Everything, no matter how innocuous, got to -5 within minutes. Your comment isn’t really helping. Someone is literally being a creep and stalking me and all you have to offer is “maybe you should leave”? Thanks, victim blaming is always so helpful.
Dude. Karma isn't a big deal on Lemmy. If you don't like downvotes, use an instance that doesn't use them. This community is for discussing questions, not using Lemmy. Next comment about this will be a community ban.
Sorry, didn’t mean to break any rules. It just hurts that any helpful reply I give on a thread is immediately buried. I will not mention it again. This is not sarcasm, but I know it might sound that way-Thanks for all your time spent helping to grow Lemmy
Try one of the support communites for more info on this.
curious as to why you left all the trolly comments and removed the comments from the person being trolled?
edit: they clearly are seasoning:
as a mod, if you’re looking to foster communities for open discussion rather than a place that will become toxic, punishing people for being targets of trolls while leaving trolls alone isn’t the way to go.
I don’t get how I did anything close to sealioning lol. I made a point with sources and asked for an explanation as to why someone disagreed with me
I read through the thread a few times and while at first glance, it looked like one person was trolling, my conclusion in the end was that it was actually the other person. That's why I deleted those posts.
I seriously considered removing the entire thread but my thought was that it would remove transparency. I'm not always going to get this right but I'll do my best and listen to the follow-up comments.
i read through it, too. it's pretty textbook sealiong, and I don't see how you don't see that. as for transparency, that's what the modlog is for.
if your stance is to punish the victim, I'll know to see clear of this community myself. since fostering a toxic atmosphere is your goal, this isn't a community I want to be a part of
I'm confused as to how we got from "I reviewed the whole thread and tried to make a fair call that protects the users in the community" to "if your stance is to punish the victim and foster a toxic atmosphere". I'm here to help, so please take me at face value.
you know exactly what you're doing, and it's no misunderstanding. you're intentionally trolling. if you have any genuine intentions, you'll simply stop. by replying to this comment, you confirm that you're trolling.