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Full Caucus Set to Vote After Key Panel Picks Pelosi-Backed Dem Over AOC for Oversight Spot
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Ngl I think AOC should straight up form a new party with Bernie or something like that, because the DNC is just gonna keep giving us the neoliberal shit sandwich until they’re subsumed by the Republican Party outright (other parties being outlawed, of course).
I know that end-state sounds hyperbolic, but at this point I wouldn’t be shocked if that’s how things eventually play out if this authoritarian slide continues.
Except she spent the last election cycle mocking third parties and saying you need to 'build coalitions' by working within the party
If this is what she got for her support of Israel and 'working within the party', then I think she might have been taken for a ride
Like how Bernie "worked with" the Dems by bending the knee to Hillary after the 2016 primary?
Yeah idk why the progressives think they can work with the right wing obstructionists that are the Democratic party.
Guess we should have all voted for that hack Stein. The green painted wing of the GOP
Better to vote for the pink-painted wing of the GOP
"The Dems are like the GOP but they don't hate women and gay people" is less of a gotcha than you think it is when you don't even deny that Stein is a fraud.
Kind of just tells us what you think of those issues.
That's the thing about paint - sometimes it peels off of whatever shitty surface it's covering.
I'll take liberals over Nazis, thanks.
Why won't you?
Pretending as if it's a binary choice is the reason why liberals end up compromising with nazis in the first place.
It is a binary choice on election day, and even if it you believe in third party viability on principle Stein is still a fascist stooge.
Just curious - does compromising/working with fascists make you a fascist stooge even when you're a liberal democrat?
Just want to make sure we're not operating on any double standards
Nah, just a collaborator. Biden, for example, got to be president, which at least let him stop the fascist invasion of Ukraine.
Stooges are like collaborators only they're a complete joke that can't even win a single House seat, and would let both Ukraine and Palestine be genocide by dictators.
Lol, did he, though? And by the same metric did he also 'stop' the fascist invasion of Palestine?
Weird how those are still happening then.
Nice that you admit that your boys are fascists that want to make both situations worse.
I'm not sure who you're suggesting are 'my boys'
The Parlor Pink shade, comrade?
Either way, honestly - it's a thin, flaky coat of paint on a reactionary bourgeois political party
The solution is to depose everyone who has a finger in politics today, starting from the top down.
"Be kind to people, be ruthless to systems."
She is right. Divide and conquer is a super effective strategy, the left loves doing the divide part to itself then acts shocked when it gets conquered.
When your left-wing coalition depends on kowtowing to capital to survive, it isn't left-wing anymore.
So make yourself smaller, less relevant, less resources but ideologically pure. Not exactly a winning formula. You go to war with the army you've got, not the army you wish you had.
When the army you have sabotages you at every turn you absolutely do remove the obstructive elements. The modern Democratic party will simply never allow leftists to have any kind of political power. That's not how they roll, and by the time anything change America will have went full autocrat or starved to death.
The call is coming from inside the house, bud.
Go make your political party made up of exclusively people to the left of Elizabeth Warren and let me know how the half dozen of you do
Is she really your standard bearer for 'left'....?
I used her as an example of someone not left wing enough for you guys to share a party with.
Unfortunately not the first time AOC’s “learned” this lesson. See? She is a great Dem, learn nothing and do it again.
It's not a bad idea. However, better would be a reforming and rebranding of the current DNC's image. It is the right time to begin setting the foundations though, make no mistake.
And how would anyone go about that when the party leadership is fighting them at every turn?
The only legal way would be to mimic the corporations that captured the DNC to begin with, basically bribes.
You'd have to create a super PAC that only funds left leaning democratic candidates, and one that would be willing to fund primaries against incumbents within the DNC.
The main problem is that parties only care about funding now, and there aren't exactly a bunch of leftist billionaires.
Citizens vs United basically ensured that any form of social economic reform is off the table for the foreseeable future. The political parties are bought and paid for, and will continue to funnel public spending into privatization until capitalism reaches terminal growth.
We can indirectly fight this through grassroots campaigning from the bottom up. Assuming we aren't completely fucked by 2028 this type of strategy would ensure long term success.
I think "grassroots" campaigning is an idea that parties use to dangle as a carrot in front of the eyes of the progressive wings of the party. If you look at any successful "grassroots" campaign in the last ten years you'll usually find someone with deep pockets funding them.
All campaigns take people's time and money to sustain itself, without that funding you're just going to be smothered out. Plus, this isn't a localized problem, it's systemic.
Grassroot campaigns are meant to solve endemic problems, it's not something suitable to change the hierarchical structure of a national political party.
The innate problem with the DNC is that leadership roles are subservient to the people who control the actual funding of the party. People like Nancy Pelosi aren't shot callers because of their "leadership abilities", they are in control because they have long established connections to mega donors.
Apart from a France-esque uprising, focusing on local elections, State Assemblies, and reinforcing the foundations of strong candidates at the levels we can have individual impact at naturally helps on a larger scale. It's really a question of organization, as funding at local levels can often be measured in the hundreds or thousands instead of the millions. People are tired of feeling helpless, let's give them a way to channel that energy.
This is ultimately what I wanted if Biden/Harris won. Four years to prepare. Now it's four years to survive.
Wait for them to die. Won't be long now with Luigi cannelloni on the case.
Seconded