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I wish the noose wasn't there. It's unrelated to the incident, and it's a method of murder associated with black people, not CEOs. Make it a guillotine or just a normal shadow.
You wot m8, we've been hanging people for millennia
In the US specifically, there is an association with lynching. Lynching was the preferred method of white towns for dealing with any black person they felt stepped out of line or committed a crime from about 1865-1965. This article provides a good run down.
A lot were hung from the neck to their death, many (maybe most?) victims of lynchings were only "strung up" for display after they were already slowly tortured to death, such as cutting off the victims' fingers and ears, genitals, stabbing them with corkscrews to pull out twitching entrails and chunks of muscle, beaten nearly to death, and thrown on a fire, still writhing, or all of the above, such Luther Holbert in 1904. I don't think I've seen photos of one lynching were the bodies weren't bloodied and battered, if not utterly mutilated.
The association of nooses, of gallows executions, with lynching understates the inhumanity and depravity of it. The public display of such senseless brutality, based solely on race, was the point: it was to keep everyone, white and black, in line, as you put it. White kids took home fingers and teeth as souvenirs; it seems to me that it usually had nothing to do with whatever pretext. The pretexts used to justify the lynchings, such as one US Army private who refused to empty his pockets before shopping, or one free man who addressed a sheriff by the name on his shirt without saying Mister first, are things that were not crimes.
The reasons didn't actually matter to the perpetrators, victims didn't actually have to commit a crime to be singled and murdered. Even when there was a criminal charge, it was usually bogus and the trial was always a sham. I'm not trying to pick on you Maggoty but I like you so I want you to appreciate what you're saying.
https://eji.org/wp-content/uploads/2005/11/lynching-in-america-3d-ed-110121.pdf
You don't like me, I'm Pro Palestinian. You're also talking to someone that grew up in a border state reading all the history books the state told us not to read because they're "embarrassing." I'm keeping it simple for the foreigners. And hanging them, even if it was just the body made the noose an effective icon. So much so the the KKK took to leaving a noose in a nearby tree as a warning, and they still do it. Anyone who wants to be super literal can go look at Emmett Till's face.
Nah I can disagree and still like you. You're smart and kind, I can tell.
I'll remember that the next time we meet over Israel.
It's a good article. I think there is a large are of the US where the symbolism of a noose is going to be deeply embedded in the social understanding as referencing lynchings.
Lynching of Michael Donald in 1981
Yeah, pirates come to mind when I think about the noose.
I kinda feel like what they're going for is a "shoot the rope" thing with that shadow.
Agreed. It reads as the "shooter" killing a mass murderer whose noose/shadow kills all those it touches.
Interesting take, and I like the idea, but I think a noose is the wrong imagery for the US.
Associated with black people... and centuries of executions prior that had nothing to do with color.
A noose over a tree I could see being more racial - kkk killings etc - but hanging is more of a "common persons execution" historically
So then why is it in the picture? Wouldn't say this was a 'common person's death'. In fact, it's the opposite. To me the imagery doesn't match. And no matter how I agree with the larger sentiment, I'll never wear anything with a noose on it.
The shadow of the noose is cast by the rich asshole, not over him... makes sense to me
There were quite a few pro British folks who were hanged by revolutionaries, also scalped but lets ignore the Minutemen.
It is a normal shadow for this scene. The light source is a street light directly above the shooter.
Yeah, it's not associated with black people outside the US. It's how serfs or common criminals are dealt with historically.
But this incident is very related to the US.
Class warfare is worldwide
Yes but US politics and history are US wide.
You guys may see hanging as racial. I think for the majority of the world, hanging is very similar to a guillotine, firing squad etc. It's an antiquated execution method, not a racial attack.
Is this shirt intended for an audience outside of the US?
I'd say yes, to some extent but 90% for the US.
However, not really what the discussion was in reference to.
Didn’t know Saddam was black
He’s normally a type of reddish/orange when I see him lying down in all those memes.
That weird shadow looks nothing like a noose to me other than like a vague shape of a straight line meeting a closed shape that isn't really that round or noose-like.
That's extremely vague and wouldn't fit with the rest of the art; everything else looks like what it is, cars, people, so it the shadow was suppose to depict a noose, why doesn't it look like one?
It looks like a guitar to me
I think it's meant to mean that the CEO looks like just a guy there, but from the shadows he is really actively threatening the life of the guy shooting at him.
The grip of oppression is tight as a noose, but when they kick out the chair, heads will hang.
I just figured it was a reference to the CEO being a murderer.