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Now that we have final numbers. It appears that Harris had all the white & black support she needed for an EC victory. But Trump outright flipping Latino men and making huge gains with Latino women seems to have made all the difference.

What do you think?

First image is 2024, second is 2020.

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[–] ramenshaman@lemmy.world 75 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Don't forget all the people who voted for Biden in 2020 and didn't fucking vote in 2024

[–] Jake_Farm@sopuli.xyz 19 points 2 days ago (1 children)

15 million of them. That is a staggering number.

[–] would_be_appreciated@lemmy.ml 28 points 2 days ago (1 children)

15 million of them. That is a staggering number.

It's also not an accurate number. The official count for Biden in 2020 was about 81.3 million (found many places online, but the official one is a good choice) and the unofficial count for Harris by AP so far is about 74.3 million. That's about 7 million, which is less than half of what you claimed.

People have got to stop just posting straight up false information. If you don't know, don't post.

[–] Jake_Farm@sopuli.xyz 19 points 2 days ago (2 children)

It would be more appropriate to say outdated. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2024/11/13/20-million-votes-election-harris-trump-fact-check/76136743007/ As of November 6th 16 million less votes than the year before had been counted.

[–] njm1314@lemmy.world 9 points 2 days ago (2 children)

No, if you said it a week ago it would be outdated. The fact that you're still saying it is what makes it false. As you point it out new information is available. You're just using old information still.

By comparison if I wrote a book in the 1600s about the medical necessity of leaching, that would be outdated today. If I wrote a book about the medical necessity of leaching in 2024 that would just be false.

[–] bilb@lem.monster 0 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

But they still use leeches! Because your hypothetical example is imperfect I'm afraid I'll have to dismiss everything you said and go with the old, inaccurate numbers. What a shame.

[–] would_be_appreciated@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 days ago (2 children)

We both know the reasonable way to interpret your post, and the way nearly everybody would interpret it, is that that's the current or final count. It's also outdated to say 74 million fewer people voted for Harris, but at one point, that was in fact the count. But it's more than outdated - it's misleading to the point of being factually inaccurate to any observer.

I can't believe instead of being like "oh shit, I made a mistake, my bad, I better think for a second about this in the future" you're going to try to justify it. Whatever, that's social media at this point I guess. Surely I'm not the problem, says everybody feeding misinformation in a giant circle. I thought Lemmy might be better, but it's just not. Thank you for convincing me to finally give all social media up.

[–] tired_n_bored@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

Man you're arguing about something so insignificant.

[–] Jake_Farm@sopuli.xyz 1 points 2 days ago

I didn't know it was outdated at the time. I don't constantly check and double things I read in passing to see if it has been updated. I am not a professional in the field.