However, an HOA cannot legally enforce a rule that contradicts a state law. The worst HOAs will still try to enforce illegal rules. Which means you have to sue the HOA.

[–] youRFate@feddit.de 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Ye, the article says it prevents local govts from enforcing hoa-style laws, but didn’t say anything about hoas themselves.

Idk how those work legally, I luckily don’t have to deal with them.

[–] Nougat@kbin.social 5 points 1 year ago

If the state explicitly protects the right, no authority below the state can prohibit it.

[–] ElleChaise@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Very important detail there, I didn't even consider that until y'all said it.

I've got an idea to fix the bad HOA issues if anyone wants to hear me out. It's a simple, practical solution.

If an HOA wants to form, it must first get enough residents to hold a fair democratic vote as to whether they should exist at all. The time leading up to the vote would be short, maybe a month, tops. This time would allow the potential HOA to state its case, and what value it intends to provide specifically in writing.

At any point an audit could be called by majority vote, and any HOA lying about the books, or that can't prove that it specifically is responsible for raising home values, they would be forced to close down.

[–] Nouveau_Burnswick@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

My understanding is that a lot of HOAs are formed prior to occupation (during the development phase).

This is a deal done between the developer and city to lower costs. Suburbs are expensive per/capita to administer and maintain, so I think the hope is the HOA takes some of those costs.

Regardless, any HOA (to my knowledge?) Must be voted is regularly (in my city condo syndicates need to revote the board every year, I assume the same applies for "flat condos"/HOAs). All financials also need to be public, there's no room for shinanigans (I've been trying to dump my board seat for years, keep getting voted in under protest).

All that to say, HOAs may be a requirement of the local government, but the is nothing stopping the members from voting in a new board and dropping the HOA down to bare legal minimums.

[–] JillyB@beehaw.org 2 points 1 year ago

I'm pretty sure a lot of HOAs are formed by property developers before the first house is sold. Not all of them are specifically to increase property values. Condo HOAs are necessary to maintain the common areas. Some HOAs maintain a pool or communal areas. But yeah, I'll only live in an HOA community if it's a condo.

[–] Skates@feddit.nl 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Genuinely curious, as in my country HOAs are a bit less powerful, but: wouldn't it be the other way around? If the HOA fines you for things that are legal within state law, and you refuse to pay, don't they need to sue you to get you to pay(or to try to get your home, which I heard is sometimes an option)? Or do you really need to sue them?

[–] chaogomu@kbin.social 5 points 1 year ago

Okay, how it works is the HOA issues a bogus fine. Then they do that a few more times with late fees and nonpayment fees and whatever else they tack on. Then they launch a lawsuit or put a lien on your house (basically they can repossess your house from under you, even if the HOA never held the title before).

Depending on the judge the HOA gets, they might be able to pull it off without you knowing about it until the trial date. It's not going to be a jury trial, it will just be a judge hearing evidence and making a ruling. The HOA agreement that you (or the previous homeowner) signed is the number one piece of evidence. The number of fines and non-payment of them is all the judge often sees.

Do note that this process is most often used against people of darker skin tone who live in whiter HOAs.

So yeah, if an HOA starts issuing fines that are illegal, it's often best to sue them first. That way, the judge hears your evidence first.

The goal should always be to disolve the HOA, because they are often created to keep out darker skinned or poorer homeowners. And they're a way for little yard nazis to grasp at power.