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Democrats are trying to work out what went wrong. On the left a consensus is forming
(www.independent.co.uk)
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We need an actual left party.
Tired of this fascism vs conservatives masquerading as "left vs right" bullshit.
Pelosi sucks, Bernie should be in charge of the party with AOC under his wing until he dies, it's their only chance.
As a Swede, calling the Democrats a party on the left is insane, it is center/right and the Republicans are far right.
Well that's why it's all relative. Sweden is far left to the US, and your far right people are center.
Opposite in Germany again. It's all subjective to the locale.
It's not subjective. The U.S. left is why 40 hour work weeks and SSI exists.
We've just never been represented by the duopoly elite/land owners (by design) and instead have had to strike and agitate through those means rather than the ballot box.
In other words, the working class isn't represented nationally and never has been outside a few radicals like Bernie and AOC.
The U.S. left from EIGHTY YEARS AGO is why those things exist. There’s been a drift to the right over time. It has RAPIDLY accelerated in the last 50 years. The present day left has been dragged right by trying to be polite in the face of so many evils. I’m not promoting both side-isms, the democrats are still far preferable to the republicans, but the greed and corruption are not exclusive to the right. The system is broken and my only hope of the incoming disaster is that it may get so bad that we are forced to enact real and substantive change. I only think that will happen if the horrors that come are extreme enough to defeat the current apathy of the country. GOP voter numbers went up less than a percent, DNC voter numbers went down over 12%.
Yeah, even a real fucking primary would probably have helped.
I really hope it won’t have to come to physical conflict, because we won’t win that with a 12% deficit either.
I think they’re saying that some nations’ options are subjectively dubbed “left and right” based on relative comparison, not the ideologies themselves.
And I'm saying that's propaganda.
For those who don’t know the difference between practice and ideology it is. Your comments lead me to believe you have a pretty solid grasp of political philosophy.
I don’t think the comment above was an attempt at justification, but an explanation of why we use the terms left and right subjectively.
I get that. But the subjectivity is lack of political education and media bias.
In other words, it's not subjective, really. It's a misnomer that's been spread through propaganda by both parties. And repeated ad nauseam by the media.
People need to understand that the democrats are centrists drifting right, in order to understand that there are other real options, like organizing, striking, and community action/mutual aid. Otherwise, everyone is going to sit on their hands for the next four years, praying that the democrats save them.
It doesn’t matter how progressive US Democrats are this term. Republicans control the Presidency, Congress, and SCOTUS.
Democrats can only criticize while Republicans steer the nation for the next four years.
Id argue democeats are only progressive when they can't make laws. Once they get the mjaority, suddenly the amount of progresive intent withers. Bidens immigration policy used the same camps as Trumps, but I never saw a teary eyed AOC go back to the camps after Biden was voted in. The most progressive things we get from Dems is publicity stunts when they're powerless.
What actions did you expect AOC to take as part of the House minority?
Literally what I just said, she could at least visit the camps like she did as part of the House Minority under Trump. Did you not read that part or did you intentionally ignore it?
There’s no need for condescension. I asked about action. What legislative action could her appointment allow her to take?
Read what's written next time then. I have no dialogue for someone who skips what i wrote to get in a gotcha then tries to move the goal posts.
What legislative action is visiting camps?
Asking you to clarify is not moving goalposts. Your failure do to so is evasive.
LOL, SD and AFS being center!
AOC doesn't need to be under anybody's wing.