Chronic Illness
A community/support group for chronically ill people. While anyone is welcome, our number one priority is keeping this a safe space for chronically ill people.
This is a support group, not a place for people to spout their opinions on disability.
Rules
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Be excellent to each other
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Absolutely no ableism. This includes harmful stereotypes: lazy/freeloaders etc
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No quackery. Does an up-to date major review in a big journal or a major government guideline come to the conclusion you’re claiming is fact? No? Then don’t claim it’s fact. This applies to potential treatments and disease mechanisms.
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No denialism or minimisation This applies challenges faced by chronically ill people.
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No psychosomatising psychosomatisation is a tool used by insurance companies and governments to blame physical illnesses on mental problems, and thereby saving money by not paying benefits. There is no concrete proof psychosomatic or functional disease exists with the vast majority of historical diagnoses turning out to be biomedical illnesses medicine has not discovered yet. Psychosomatics is rooted in misogyny, and consisted up until very recently of blaming women’s health complaints on “hysteria”.
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so your claim that there is a freeloading problem is not backed by data?
The situation here is simply reversed.
Where, in your examples, it takes lawyers and years to get benefits.
Can you prove there isn't a freeloader problem, in your situation, as each case takes years of legal resolution?
We can only refer to anecdotal experience, or gross numbers. 1 out of 10 working age people are on disability in Belgium. What's the gross ratio where you live?
About 1 in 12, and I know a couple people who need it but have been refused.
By the way, just so you know I’m leaving your comments up because people have put a lot of effort into making good replies. But if that wasn’t the case, many of them don’t fit within the rules.
It doesn’t sound like you’re bad faith, but this is number one a support group for disabled people, so repeating harmful stereotypes about freeloaders or whatever would generally be removed.
Not that dissimilar. Can you please provide a source?
That would indeed be surprising information for me!
250k people on disability benefits + estimated 270k people on long term sick leave from work = 520k
the proportion of that to our 5.7 million working age population is about 1 in 12
two datasets used for calculation: https://www.bsv.admin.ch/bsv/fr/home/assurances-sociales/iv/statistik.html https://www.bfs.admin.ch/bfs/fr/home/statistiques/travail-remuneration/activite-professionnelle-temps-travail/heures-travail/absences.html
Thank you. It's indeed not that different. Going from 1 in 12 to 1 in 10 is not as great difference as I assumed.
I need to review my opinion on the magnitude of the freeloather problem.
I assume you might work in the field, given your chosen username?
I used to study social data science. A couple of my projects, including masters thesis were dedicated to disability, but I didn’t specialise in disability specifically.
And then I became heavily disabled myself (by utter unluckiness).
So while I did work in a similar field this is mostly coming from personal experience.
I work a lot in data science too. But yeah, I was born with it, had to live with it, even before diagnosis.
That's my point of view: I can do it despite, given A and B and C ..
You've known a before. I can imagine the difference to be shocking. You have before and after!
Yeah it’s pretty bad. I haven’t been able to leave my bed since I became disabled. My body is basically half dead
I'm thinking paralysis? Am I wrong?
You're feeling angry too, right?
How can I help you?