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Summary

Historians suggest Democrats might have fared better against Donald Trump by embracing the economic issues championed by Senator Bernie Sanders, who has long pushed for a focus on “bread-and-butter” concerns for working-class voters.

Despite Kamala Harris’s progressive policies, polls showed Trump was favored on economic issues, particularly among working-class and Hispanic voters.

Historian Leah Wright Rigueur argued that Sanders’ messaging on economic struggles could be key for future Democratic strategies.

Sanders himself criticized the party for “abandoning” the working class, which he said has led to a loss of support across racial lines.

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[–] M0oP0o@mander.xyz 33 points 5 days ago (3 children)

Despite Kamala Harris’s progressive policies...

Wait, I am not trying to be (overly) mean here but what where they? I just remember her running on a status quo platform.

[–] Microplasticbrain@lemm.ee 23 points 5 days ago (4 children)

If she was running on a progressive platform I never heard about it

[–] TheFriar@lemm.ee 13 points 5 days ago

She was progressive by saying she would saying she would have a Republican in her cabinet. So…”progress…?”

[–] djsoren19@yiffit.net 6 points 4 days ago

because it's not what she campaigned on. She very easily could have run a policy focused campaign and shown the American public how much they would benefit from a Dem president.

Instead, she campaigned on maintaining the status quo, working alongside Republicans, being pro-Israel and being anti-immigration. If the DNC weren't trying to lose, then I think they're incompetent.

[–] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 2 points 4 days ago

I think I saw one headline about potentially trying to talk about eventually raising the minimum wage, once

[–] Jumpingspiderman@lemmy.world 12 points 5 days ago (5 children)

Here were some progressive policies promoted by Harris, which we aren't going to get because people thought Trump would get them cheaper eggs:

Launch a National Health Equity Initiative to address health challenges that disproportionately impact Black men. Take on pharmacy benefit managers Have Medicare cover in-home health care Extend the $35 cap on insulin and $2,000 cap on out-of-pocket spending to all Americans Eliminate the filibuster to restore the Roe v. Wade precedent on abortion Ban corporate price gouging on food and groceries Will not raise taxes for those earning less than $400,000 a year Roll back Trump’s tax cuts for the wealthiest Americans Enact a minimum tax for billionaires Increase the tax rate on long-term capital gains to 28% for those earning at least $1 million a year Expand the child tax credit to $6,000 for families with newborns Quadruple the tax on stock buybacks Provide first-time homebuyers with up to $25,000 for down payments, plus more generous support for first-generation homeowners Build 3 million more rental units and affordable homes Outlaw new forms of price fixing by corporate landlords Pass the Equality Act to protect LGBTQ+ Americans from discrimination Ensure that no former president has immunity for crimes committed while in office Require Supreme Court justices to comply with ethics rules Impose term limits on Supreme Court justices Raise the minimum wage Eliminate taxes on tips Establish paid family and medical leave End sub-minimum wages for tipped workers and people with disabilities Double the number of apprenticeships End four-year college degree requirements for federal jobs where appropriate Limit businesses from "unnecessarily" using criminal arrest histories, convictions, and credit scores in employment decisions Sign the pro-labor PRO Act and the Public Service Freedom to Negotiate Act Generate 25 million new business applications Expand the startup expense tax deduction for new businesses from $5,000 to $50,000 Increase the share of federal contract dollars going to small businesses Provide 1 million loans to Black entrepreneurs, fully forgivable up to $20,000 Legalize recreational marijuana Enact a regulatory framework for cryptocurrency Extend the expired Affordable Connectivity Program to support internet access

[–] BallsandBayonets@lemmings.world 22 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Glancing over that word salad, it looks like a pile of bandaids on capitalism.

Here's a list of actually progressive things that would do what her list would be pretending to do and more:

Universal Healthcare. Wealth cap. Breaking up any corporation that is in more than one industry. Universal education. Complete medical and student debt forgiveness. Complete cessation of aid to governments engaged in war crimes. Complete eradication of for-profit weapon manufacturing. Universal Basic Income.

[–] Jumpingspiderman@lemmy.world 0 points 2 days ago

So enable fascism then eh? Because you can’t have socialism?

[–] SwingingTheLamp@midwest.social 2 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Still not great from a messaging perspective. Better ways to reach people who aren't politics nerds or policy wonks:

Medical care will be affordable, so you can go see your doctor any time you or your family need to. If your kid gets sick, you can be there for them and help them get better without worrying about how to pay for care. You'll get paid better, no more of the "boss gets a dollar, I get a dime" crap. No more stress about setting aside a college fund for your kids. They'll be able to go to school, guaranteed. Strong American morals mean we're not going to send our tax money to fund war and atrocities on the other side of the planet. If you lose your job, the government will have your back with enough money to survive on until you get back on your feet, no questions asked.

Goddamn, why can't Democrats say this stuff, instead of word salad like, "Launch a National Health Equity Initiative to address health challenges that disproportionately impact Black men." WTF does any of that even mean?

[–] Jumpingspiderman@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

JFC, I’m not messaging, it’s not my job to “message”. Someone said somethings that are not true and I’m listing policies that refute that claim in the very limited format allowed here.

Right, and this isn't rhetorical combat. You are correct, and I was continuing the train of thought.

[–] Deceptichum@quokk.au 16 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (2 children)

A regulatory framework for the scam known as crpyto is “progressive”?

Yeha America really needs to embrace leftism and not this “progressive” neolib branding.

[–] Jumpingspiderman@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago

So, you think it SHOULDn’t be regulated? Capitalism is a fucking scam. It’s legal though and isn’t going to be replaced any time soon. In the meantime regulate the hell out of it to reduce its negative effects

[–] silasmariner@programming.dev 4 points 5 days ago (1 children)

See this is the difference between the left and the right. You see a huge list of policies and focus on the one that you have some nebulous objection to, ignore everything else and don't even have a substantive criticism of what you apparently don't like. The right will see a big list of policies, focus on the one they agree with, and claim that everything else is just nonsense and won't really be enacted. Ideological purity, smh. The perfect is the enemy of the good.

[–] jatone@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 5 days ago (2 children)

indeed. genocide was the big bad one this year. too bad.

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 7 points 5 days ago

And all she needed was one lousy photon of daylight between herself and Bidenyahu.

[–] silasmariner@programming.dev 0 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

Well yeah I think even the first month was abhorrent and once the Palestinian health ministry started to lose track of the actual dead, which was basically about a month or two in, it was obviously an atrocity that was, if not already genocide (yeah it was), at least sparkling ethnic cleansing with a familiar bouquet. There is no excuse for that, and weapon provisions to Israel should've been immediately withheld indefinitely in the aftermath. No question. But permitting the guy who not only wants to speed up that process, but is also awful on a thousand other metrics, to take the reins is probably a case of cutting off your nose to spite your face...

[–] jatone@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 4 days ago

Oh it definitely is, for many a genocide is a genocide. You dont get to play the moral shades continuum once you reach that level of atrocity. So here we are.

You also need to realize that many states will be insulated from the worst of trump via our local government. So in reality life will go on for us, foreign policy will go to shit but shrug. Not much we can do there.

[–] M0oP0o@mander.xyz 11 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Wait.... I have seen these before. Like 10 plus years ago it feels like.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

If Biden is offering down payment assistance for first time home buyers, could you please direct me to the applications please? Thanks!

[–] M0oP0o@mander.xyz 4 points 4 days ago

Well he talked about maybe looking into what it would mean to offer it. Just like I guess she did?

[–] Rekorse@sh.itjust.works 7 points 5 days ago (1 children)

When did she say the supreme court stuff or the anti-corporate stuff?

[–] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 2 points 4 days ago

And yet the only campaign ads I ever saw from her were clips of Donald Trump saying stupid shit.

I voted harris, but I don't blame anyone for thinking that a Harris win would be a repeat of the last four years

[–] GlobalCompatriot@lemm.ee 11 points 5 days ago

You know, the one where she said we need to accept Palestinian deaths so we can get cheaper bread.