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[–] vordalack@lemm.ee 31 points 9 hours ago (6 children)

They ran Harris thinking she would win based on her demographics. The DNC needs to learn that not everyone wants a black/LGBTQ/woman/etc candidate that just runs on their race/gender/sexuality.

They want someone that's competent that will campaign on policies that will make their lives better. The DNC has moved so far away from the working class that the RNC, the party of wealthy creeps, has them.

[–] LustyArgonianMana@lemmy.world 30 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago) (2 children)

They ran Harris because she was the only candidate they could justify shoehorning in without a primary, since she's VP.

Why they didn't want to run a primary is a great question. Probably cost and time, and name recognition. Studies show that often the candidate with the most name recognition wins. There's wasn't enough time to tell every person in America a brand new person's name.

But usually VPs don't do well when they run as president. Imo Dems are just trying to avoid another Bernie Sanders situation - a leftist with an authentic campaign and people who genuinely like them. More than anything, they gotta stop real progress in this country.

[–] archomrade@midwest.social 17 points 5 hours ago

Imo Dems are just trying to avoid another Bernie Sanders situation - a leftist with an authentic campaign and people who genuinely like them

100% this is why. They didn't want any internal pressure for progressive policies or a public platform to voice them.

[–] inv3r510n@lemmy.world 11 points 5 hours ago

They lost the general because they refused to hold a legitimate primary. This wouldn’t of happened. They haven’t run a real primary since 2008 and look at how hard Obama won in a landslide after competing in a deep field of qualified and competent candidates.

[–] shadowfax13@lemmy.ml 11 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

running token candidates beholden to them is very shady but brilliant strategy by the superpacs :

if they loose: blame it on sexism, racism bigotry to divert the attention from reforms in dnc for progressive leadership. and even if they pretend to be sad about it, the megarich elites and donors get taxcuts and endless price gouging from republicans.

if they win: token candidate passes some token laws which gets either blocked in senate or so poorly implemented that they actually end up giving billions to megacorps for no visible benefit to people. case in point: https://www.atr.org/kamalas-broadband-bust-42-billion-996-days-zero-homes-connected/

[–] LavenderDay3544@lemmy.world 22 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

They had no platform other than fear mongering about Trump.

The difference between Harris and Obama was that while Obama was biracial that wasn't the focus of his campaign, his platform was, and he articulated it well. That's the real lesson to take away from Obama's success at the polls not let's run a black person and hope we win.

[–] inv3r510n@lemmy.world 8 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago) (2 children)

Obama also competed against a deep field of qualified candidates in 2008. He went into the general with momentum of a popular mandate and then won in a landslide.

He would of done nearly as good if he was a white man.

On the flip side, when the republicans lost with Romney in 2012 they did a whole lot of soul searching (rather than blaming the electorate and moving closer to the center to court mythical ‘moderates’ which is the ongoing failed strategy of the democrats), and in 2016 they had an extremely competitive primary where trump came out on top with a mandate as popular with the base as Obama in 2008.

[–] someguy3@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

rather than .... moving closer to the center to court mythical ‘moderate

Looking back at 2016 I think Trump won exactly because he went for the middle: middle working class. I know we all thought he was going hard right (and he did appeal to them for certain reasons), but he campaigned to the middle class and won them.

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 2 points 4 hours ago

Primaries also benefit from the same effect that makes every movie and TV show a reboot: Name recognition. The long primary cycle keeps their name in the news so people get familiar with it so they're more likely to vote for them.

[–] keegomatic@lemmy.world 18 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

They ran Harris because she was the only viable option when it was clear that Biden was not. They did not run Harris thinking she would win at all, they ran her out of desperation because the incumbent was flatlining. It was not a choice, and it certainly was not one based on demographics. It was a “Hail Mary” and it failed as it was likely to do from the outset, and everyone who was paying attention knew that, yet had no choice but to hope for the best.

[–] Rutty@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago) (1 children)

lol, you believe this? I don’t find it hard to believe that they put Biden though a primary, just to have him drop out…

IMO running Harris was the plan from the beginning. You know, which was kind of the problem, hijacking the primary.

[–] someguy3@lemmy.world 2 points 1 hour ago

To use your own words, you believe that?

This was not a grand conspiracy geez. Biden's "primary" was perfunctory because we learned you never primary the incumbent. If he didn't perform badly at the debate he probably wouldn't have dropped out.

[–] Freefall@lemmy.world 14 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

She quite specifically DIDNT run on those things, like Hillary did...so....

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 3 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

So every racist and misogynist will say she did anyways.

Including the ones on Lemmy.

I think she, and to a greater extent the policies of the Democratic Party since Carter just cost America the Republic but there is literally nothing a black woman could do to convince some people she's competent in her own right.

Competent at neoliberal corporate cronyism, mind you. But Harris's qualifications by herself are rock solid.

[–] Freefall@lemmy.world 4 points 7 hours ago

She quite specifically DIDNT run on those things, like Hillary did...so....